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    Because everyone else is talking about it...

    Who is at fault? What will it take to get things back up and running? Will you personally be effected?

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    "You don't get to extract a ransom for doing your job, for doing what you're supposed to be doing anyway, or just because there's a law there that you don't like,"
    Quote from Obama.

    That pretty much sums it up for me. I get that Tea Partiers don't want Obamacare. This is the wrong way to address that issue.

    FTR, i am expressing this calmly when in reality it makes me all sorts of ragey.

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    Obama has already given all employers with over 50 employees and one year delay to Obamacare. I don't see why he won't extend that same consideration to all the normal every day individuals who are going to be hurt trying to pay these massive increases in coverage. Why are big corporations getting special treatment?

    Even Congress has carved out a niche for themselves by getting special subsidies to pay for Obamacare that no one else gets.
    Senator David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, has demanded a floor vote on his bill to end an exemption that members of Congress and their staffs are slated to get that will make them the only participants in the new Obamacare exchanges to receive generous subsidies from their employer to pay for their health insurance. Angry Senate Democrats have drafted legislation that dredges up a 2007 prostitution scandal involving Vitter. The confrontation is a perfect illustration of just how wide the gulf in attitudes is between the Beltway and the rest of the country ? and how viciously Capitol Hill denizens will fight for their privileges.
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    Plus the site is not even ready. I heard on the radio this morning that the most frequently asked question at the Obamacare government website is "How can I get a personal exemption?"
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    Regardless of your wondering why Obama does or doesnt' want to do something to the healtcare act

    Why is it okay for the GOP to try to force govt. shutdown, withholding paychecks from hundreds of thousands of workers, unless Obamacare supporters comply.

    It truly miffs me that anyone condones this or thinks this is EVER an appropriate way to get what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Regardless of your wondering why Obama does or doesnt' want to do something to the healtcare act

    Why is it okay for the GOP to try to force govt. shutdown, withholding paychecks from hundreds of thousands of workers, unless Obamacare supporters comply.

    It truly miffs me that anyone condones this or thinks this is EVER an appropriate way to get what you want.
    They are NOT forcing the government to shut down. They have funded EVERYTHING ELSE. It is Reid and Obama that are shutting down the government by refusing to pass the bills they are being sent because they won't delay Obamacare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Quote from Obama.

    That pretty much sums it up for me. I get that Tea Partiers don't want Obamacare. This is the wrong way to address that issue.

    FTR, i am expressing this calmly when in reality it makes me all sorts of ragey.
    This. The insurance pools only work if we're all in which is why they can't delay the individual mandate but keep the rest of it. Everyone has to be paying in, otherwise they can't support the people that are currently sick and whatnot. I'm going to be generous and assume that the Congresscritters understand this, but just don't want Obamacare to work because OH NOES OBAMA. Otherwise, if they don't know that then they don't understand how insurance pools work and they should be quiet now because the adults are talking.

    That's literally as civil as I can be on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    They are NOT forcing the government to shut down. They have funded EVERYTHING ELSE. It is Reid and Obama that are shutting down the government by refusing to pass the bills they are being sent because they won't delay Obamacare.
    What are you talking about...even Boehner states this is a healthcare issue?!?!

    I think it would be a sin to bend to the house's terms to pass this as it just validates such atrocious tactics.

    like i want a shutdown at every opportunity for one everytime some party doesn't get what they want. No thanks.

    They are undeniably using this shutdown to try to force through changes to obamacare.

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    Really its embarrassing to me that anyone...government official or citizen thinks this is a civilized way to run a government. I really don't have anything more to say on this issue. My opinion on it is plain and simple...and unwavering.

    ETA: Because i can't spell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Really its embarrassing to me that anyone...government official or citizen thinks this is a civilized way to run a government. I really don't have anything more to say on this issue. My opinion on it is plain and simple...and unwavering.
    Right... civilized like pushing thru Obamacare in the first place on a technicality without ONE Republican vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    They are NOT forcing the government to shut down. They have funded EVERYTHING ELSE. It is Reid and Obama that are shutting down the government by refusing to pass the bills they are being sent because they won't delay Obamacare.
    No. Just no. They can't present a solution that is not going to work (delay the mandate - this won't work) and then blame the Senate for refusing to agree to a non-working solution. And then in the process, hold the entire government hostage because they aren't getting their way about a law that was passed in 2010, and ruled Constitutional in 2012. Also, their side ran on "we will repeal Obamacare" in the presidential election and they lost. The majority of people voted for Obama and his care. So get over it. Seriously. Stop acting like a bunch of spoiled children and get over it.
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