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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Well the current proposal is to suspend the medical device tax for two years and remove the extra subsidy for Congress that they put in so they didn't have to pay their own insurance under Obamacare. They have already caved on everything else.

    Totally unreasonable, right?
    Yes. Once again, Obama shouldn't have to cave on a law that has been upheld by the Supreme Court. And the tea party conservatives don't want him to cave anyway. I keep reading/hearing a lot about an impeachment trap and the longer this plays out makes me convinced it's really about to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombies View Post
    Yes. Once again, Obama shouldn't have to cave on a law that has been upheld by the Supreme Court. And the tea party conservatives don't want him to cave anyway. I keep reading/hearing a lot about an impeachment trap and the longer this plays out makes me convinced it's really about to happen.
    There are three branches of Government. You need all three to pass something like this. So yes, If you want the Government to work smoothly, you need to work together. Not one side giving 100% and the other side giving 0%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Yes I am looking at the picture. I can see where the sidewalk ends and the opening into the parking lot blocked off by cones. My sister has a tour bus. You expect a bus to be able to come around one of those hairpin turns and be able to turn into a small opening where they removed a couple cones to get in? Those buses need a lot of space to maneuver. Sorry I just don't buy that the governor and the secretary of tourism and a bus full of people that couldn't pull over to take pictures are just making a big stink about something that didn't happen.
    Truthfully I can't believe they are making a big stink over not being able to see a bunch of dead presidents faces carved into a mountain when there are now a massive amount of people left with out an income due to the government shut down.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I do think that the shut down was not the right answer, but my understanding is that in the balance of power, Congress has the power to fund or not fund things regardless if the other branches approve or not. That is how the power is divided. I still believe if it was a different law or issue such as banning all abortions for any reason or forcing every American to carry a gun, Democrats would not bat an eye over digging their heals in like the republicans are doing now. Personally, I would not have chose this as a hill to die on, but Constitutionally I believe their right is there.

    From my POV, the republicans are willing to compromise and try to meet in the middle. The Democrats have said "My way or no way". I do not think this will end until the Democrats come out willing to give in at least something.
    I totally understand that people have differing points of view. As a human being, I am having a really hard time understanding how even if you are sympathetic to the goals and ideals of the Republicans in this case, but think it is the wrong way to go about it . . . How do you maintain trust? Don't you at some point ask if you are following with blind faith?

    And then in 2 years, what happens? Let's be a little more honest about what that means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyfufu View Post
    I totally understand that people have differing points of view. As a human being, I am having a really hard time understanding how even if you are sympathetic to the goals and ideals of the Republicans in this case, but think it is the wrong way to go about it . . . How do you maintain trust? Don't you at some point ask if you are following with blind faith?

    And then in 2 years, what happens? Let's be a little more honest about what that means.
    I am sorry, I am sleepy right now. What exactly are you asking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombies View Post
    Yes. Once again, Obama shouldn't have to cave on a law that has been upheld by the Supreme Court. And the tea party conservatives don't want him to cave anyway. I keep reading/hearing a lot about an impeachment trap and the longer this plays out makes me convinced it's really about to happen.
    You mean a law that was passed by a purely partisan Democrat vote without one Republican vote? That one? I mean what possible reason could we have to complain about that kind of legislation that was forced down our throats. I mean of course Obama shouldn't have to cave or even negotiate on one single piece of the legislation that he passed in that manner.

    Of course he can just give out delays or waivers to the people that make his favorites list. Just not normal people.

    (Pssst..... the Supreme Court didn't say it was a good law, just that it was a constitutional tax even though when it was passed they said it wasn't a tax.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey View Post
    Truthfully I can't believe they are making a big stink over not being able to see a bunch of dead presidents faces carved into a mountain when there are now a massive amount of people left with out an income due to the government shut down.
    Of course because it is going to help the economy in SD to drive out the rest of the tourists. Just like it is going to help the economy for them to force hotels and other businesses who lease federal land to close for no reason other than spite. Three cars and five rangers stationed outside a privately run inn to make sure no one goes in? Thats a great use of government funds.

    Micetich cited as one example a privately run inn along the Blue Ridge Parkway in North Carolina.

    The innkeeper tried, unsuccessfully, to repel federal efforts to shut down his business, the Pisgah Inn, last week.

    Owner Bruce O'Connell told FoxNews.com on Monday that rangers are still outside his business, blocking the entrance to the parking lot. As of late Monday morning, he said there were three cars and five rangers stationed outside.

    "Their message is, 'sorry, we're following orders,'" he said, describing it as a "24/7 blockade."

    He said he's hired a lawyer, and is hoping to seek a temporary restraining order soon in federal court.

    O'Connell originally defied a Thursday deadline to shut down. But the disobedience didn't last long -- police showed up Friday to physically block the entrances to the inn, according to The Asheville Citizen-Times.
    Lawmakers probe reports of property owners kicked off federal land amid partial shutdown | Fox News
    http://www.citizen-times.com/article...nclick_check=1

    It sounds like what they are doing might even be illegal.

    The U.S. government is actually trespassing by interfering with tenants on federal land. The U.S. Supreme Court has found an unconstitutional "taking" in violation of the Fifth Amendment when the government stops a tenant from using leased land (United States v. General Motors Corp, 323 U.S. 373 [1945]). Also, a temporary interruption in the use of real estate can be a taking (First English Evangelical Lutheran Church v. County of Los Angeles, 482 U.S. 304 [1987]). The government is also guilty of tortuous interference with business expectancy and liable to pay for all losses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Of course because it is going to help the economy in SD to drive out the rest of the tourists. Just like it is going to help the economy for them to force hotels and other businesses who lease federal land to close for no reason other than spite. Three cars and five rangers stationed outside a privately run inn to make sure no one goes in? Thats a great use of government funds.



    Lawmakers probe reports of property owners kicked off federal land amid partial shutdown | Fox News
    http://www.citizen-times.com/article...nclick_check=1

    It sounds like what they are doing might even be illegal.



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    The biggest thing that would help our economy is to get our current governor out of office. It's also not as though the "designated" areas are the only place you can view mt Rushmore, there are actually several places they can be seen from that the federal government has absolutely nothing to do with. Mt Rushmore also isn't the end all be all for tourist attractions around the black hills area or the state of SD, then there are all the out of state hunters and people who come to our state to fish. Mt. Rushmore being closed isn't going to be the demise of SD's economy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    You mean a law that was passed by a purely partisan Democrat vote without one Republican vote? That one? I mean what possible reason could we have to complain about that kind of legislation that was forced down our throats. I mean of course Obama shouldn't have to cave or even negotiate on one single piece of the legislation that he passed in that manner.

    Of course he can just give out delays or waivers to the people that make his favorites list. Just not normal people.

    (Pssst..... the Supreme Court didn't say it was a good law, just that it was a constitutional tax even though when it was passed they said it wasn't a tax.)
    Gloria, I know that you are frustrated that ACA exists. I respect that emotion. I want to understand exactly what your goal is because it looks like you are totally on board with the way the Republican party is handling this. Are you suggesting that in 2 years that you won't have a problem with it being funded? Or is it entirely in bad faith? As in, a delay that is not actually delay, but a complete refusal to accept the law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyfufu View Post
    Gloria, I know that you are frustrated that ACA exists. I respect that emotion. I want to understand exactly what your goal is because it looks like you are totally on board with the way the Republican party is handling this. Are you suggesting that in 2 years that you won't have a problem with it being funded? Or is it entirely in bad faith? As in, a delay that is not actually delay, but a complete refusal to accept the law?
    The 2 years they are asking for now is only for delaying the Medical Device tax, not Obamacare. Of course I hope that medical device tax never goes into effect, because I think it will just make medical costs go up. Do you really think those extra costs will not be passed down to the patient? If they delay it for 2 years that is at least 2 years that the medical costs won't go up for these patients.
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