What do you think? Should we be splitting up states via party lines? Can secession ever be considered "patriotic"? Is this a good idea?
Apparently tired of being lumped in with embarrassing blights such as Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Napa Valley and giant redwood forests, conservative elected officials from southern and eastern California are mounting a bid to secede from the state.
Or perhaps they’re just tired of being outvoted.
Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone is leading the push to form the new state of “South California.” Made up of 13 conservative-leaning counties, including Fresno, Orange, San Diego and San Bernardino, the 51st state would be the nation’s fifth-largest by population.
Stone told the New York Times he’s fed up with California’s dysfunctional state government, which routinely deadlocks over budget crises. “We have businesses leaving all the time, and we’re just driving down a cliff to become a third-world economy,” he said of a state whose economy is the eighth largest in the world.
“I am tired of California being the laughingstock of late-night jokes,” he added.
The new state would have no term limits and a part-time legislature. It would retain the state’s strict limits on property taxes.
The Riverside County Board of Supervisors voted 4-0 on Tuesday to discuss the proposal further this fall with leaders from the other counties, provided no taxpayer money is spent on the summit.
The unlikely effort is just the most recent in a long line of bids to split California since it became a state in 1850. The closest call came in 1941, when parts of Northern California and southern Oregon, citing poor infrastructure, pushed to create the new state of Jefferson.
A spokesman for California Governor Jerry Brown, a Democrat, called the latest scheme “a supremely ridiculous waste of everybody's time,” the Los Angeles Times reported. “If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there's a place called Arizona.”
I grew up in WNY I know know many people that wish that NY could separate. NYC to be their own state and the rest of the state be their own state. I am not as familiar with California, but I do know that most NY laws are made with NYC in mind, not the farm land country part of much of the state.
It's actually something that the original writers of the constitution were really adament about. If you don't want to be a part of something, you don't have to be. I think California has enough problems right now and it would be expensive to get the new state set up though so the timing is terrible.
With a 2-party system, this is almost always going to be the case. Should half the nation push for this since as a whole the country is the same way?
Personally I think it is a stupid idea. Nonetheless, one that has been proposed repeatedly for the 30 years I've lived here.
Living in a state that is often changed by the votes or only 2 or 3 counties I can see why they would push for this. But I disagree that this is the answer. I think that states need to have some systems that would resemble the electoral college to make sure all counties are given equal weight in elections.
We have a lot of land use laws that have been implemented by urban counties that only effect the more rural communities, in most cases these laws are not good for our land owners. In California I can see this as much more a problem because of the vast differences in the landscapes
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We definately have an urban vs rural voting issue in Oregon also
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I think trying to make a new state is a silly idea...
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