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    I do not know what the answer is as far as boycotting this Olympics or not. I think it is awful to beat or jail someone for their sexual orientation. I do think there is also beyond awful things that happen in China where the Olympics were in the past. It would be hard to only have the Olympics in places that were only in line with our beliefs. It is unfortunate, but I think it just is the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I think "promoting a gay lifestyle" is a little bit more ambiguous than you're letting on. Some people here in the US boycotted JC Penny just for having Ellen as a spokesperson for "promoting a gay lifestyle", and the only thing she did was exist and be gay. If "promoting a gay lifestyle" can be interpretted as "being a sort of famous gay person" then why wouldn't the athletes worry about it? It is a huge insult to our athlete's dignity that they may be fined or whatever just for being who they are, or for something as innocent as kissing their spouse in public (something that straight people would take for granted.) Our Olympians deserve better than that.
    I don't agree. I think the media is playing up something that would never happen. You seriously think Russia is going to start fining a bunch of athletes in the middle of the Olympic games? What a public relations nightmare. And worst case if it DID happen... which I highly doubt, would you equate hurting someone's dignity with a human rights violation that should keep Russia from hosting the Olympic games? Especially given the countries that they have allowed to host it in the past that have perpetrated REAL human rights violations such as putting people in prison for speaking against the government. I don't agree with Russia's law AT ALL, since I believe in freedom of speech, but this is purely a media stunt.

    On Thursday, Mutko did make it clear that the private lives and privacy of athletes would be respected as it is guaranteed by the Russian constitution.
    Rogge said the problems seemed to centre on translations.

    "We don't think it is a fundamental issue," he said at a news conference following a meeting of the IOC executive board with the International Association of Athletics Federations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Especially given the countries that they have allowed to host it in the past that have perpetrated REAL human rights violations such as putting people in prison for speaking against the government.
    Are you saying that beating people in the street for kissing each other is not a REAL human rights violation??? Because they're gay and therefore deserve it.

    Also China should not have had the Olympics. But they also didn't pass a law making it legal to beat athletes in the street a year before Beijing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blather View Post
    Are you saying that beating people in the street for kissing each other is not a REAL human rights violation??? Because they're gay and therefore deserve it.

    Also China should not have had the Olympics. But they also didn't pass a law making it legal to beat athletes in the street a year before Beijing.
    Can you show me ANYWHERE that says this law makes them able to beat people in the streets? Because not ONE thing I have read states that.

    Russia's parliament has unanimously passed a federal law banning gay "propaganda" amid a Kremlin push to enshrine deeply conservative values that critics say has already led to a sharp increase in anti-gay violence.

    The law passed 436-0 on Tuesday, with just one deputy abstaining from voting on the bill, which bans the spreading of "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations" among minors.

    The law in effect makes it illegal to equate straight and gay relationships, as well as the distribution of material on gay rights. It introduces FINES for individuals and media groups found guilty of breaking the law, as well as special fines for foreigners.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...gay-propaganda

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Can you show me ANYWHERE that says this law makes them able to beat people in the streets? Because not ONE thing I have read states that.

    Gloria, the pride parades have been ending in violence. Russian people - not the police - are turning up to beat people in the streets. And when the police show up they arrest the gay people. It is against the law to say you are gay, to talk about gay rights, to hold hands with someone of the same gender, to kiss. People are being beaten and jailed for these things. It isn't about fines. It has gone beyond that. Russia cannot protect athletes from the Russian people. No one knows what will happen and that is scary!

    And here are links with all sorts of photos of beaten gay activists if you doubt what is going on.

    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...13/06/11/68525

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/photo...e-needs-to-see
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuchsiasky View Post
    Gloria, the pride parades have been ending in violence. Russian people - not the police - are turning up to beat people in the streets. And when the police show up they arrest the gay people. It is against the law to say you are gay, to talk about gay rights, to hold hands with someone of the same gender, to kiss. People are being beaten and jailed for these things. It isn't about fines. It has gone beyond that. Russia cannot protect athletes from the Russian people. No one knows what will happen and that is scary!

    And here are links with all sorts of photos of beaten gay activists if you doubt what is going on.

    Watch: Anti-Gay Violence Breaks Out In Moscow As Russia Criminalizes Telling Kids Gays Exist | The New Civil Rights Movement

    36 Photos From Russia That Everyone Needs To See
    That is NOT what is being discussed here. What is being discussed is this particular law. This law DOES NOT give anyone permission to beat gay people. If people were jailed at protests it was NOT because of this law, in fact the articles you posted happened before this law even went into effect.
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    It hasn't gotten better with this law. It has only legalized the violence. Honestly, if you can look at photos of people being beaten and still defend the situation then I can't debate with you. I know you will never side with gay people - even if they are being fined, jailed and beaten. So it just isn't worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuchsiasky View Post
    It hasn't gotten better with this law. It has only legalized the violence. Honestly, if you can look at photos of people being beaten and still defend the situation then I can't debate with you. I know you will never side with gay people - even if they are being fined, jailed and beaten. So it just isn't worth it.
    I already said I don't agree with the law. But I also said that things are being attributed to this law that just aren't there. It does not allow anything except for FINES so that does not legalize violence. If there are other problems they existed before this law was even passed. There is just no basis for telling Russia that they cannot host the Olympics because of this law. If they are going to tell Russia that they can't host the Olympics because some of their citizens are beating up gay people than that is a completely different argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I already said I don't agree with the law. But I also said that things are being attributed to this law that just aren't there. It does not allow anything except for FINES so that does not legalize violence. If there are other problems they existed before this law was even passed. There is just no basis for telling Russia that they cannot host the Olympics because of this law. If they are going to tell Russia that they can't host the Olympics because some of their citizens are beating up gay people than that is a completely different argument.
    Gloria, the fines aren't for citizens beating up gay people; they are for those who are holding gay rights marches and protests or otherwise spreading 'gay propaganda'. Even if what you said was true, I would absolutely say that YES, the law does allow for violence against gays because there is no serious consequences for the haters doing the beating up because they would only receive a fine. But that's not the case - The case is that gays are being punished, for lack of a better word, for 1) being openly gay and being fined for it; and 2) getting the crap kicked out of them.

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    Russia's Anti-Gay Law Will Impact Foreign Tourists, Possible Olympic Athletes: Report

    Tourists can also be jailed for up to 14 days and then expelled from the country. It isn't just fines.
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