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    Should a pastor in the U.S. be charged with a crime against humanity for teaching Biblical views on homosexuality?

    An American pastor is facing a federal lawsuit filed by a George Soros-funded organization alleging that the pastor?s messages on homosexuality are a ?crime against humanity? ? a lawsuit that some Christians fear might have far-reaching consequences for church mission groups.

    Scott Lively, a Massachusetts pastor known for his opposition to homosexuality, was sued by Sexual Minorities Uganda (SMUG). They claim that he incited the persecution of homosexuals in Uganda.

    Lively traveled to Uganda in 2009 where he delivered messages that shared his Biblical views on homosexuality.

    The visit coincided with that nation?s legislature considered a bill that would have imposed the death penalty for the ?offense of homosexuality.?

    ?This is absolutely outrageous, ? Liberty Counsel founder Mathew Staver told Fox News. ?If this case is not dismissed, we will be having an American pastor that lives in the United States on trial for alleged crimes against humanity. And what are those crimes? He spoke out on homosexuality.

    Staver is asking the federal district court to toss out the lawsuit as a ?gross attempt to use a vague international law to silence, and eventually criminalize, speech by U.S. citizens on homosexuality and moral issues.?
    Read more: Anti-Gay Pastor Sued By Soros-Funded Group For 'Crimes Against Humanity' | Scott Lively | Fox Nation
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    Do Biblical views include the idea that gays should be killed, that gay = pedophile, and that gays helped Hitler? Because this pastor believes and says all of those things.
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    I think no, because regardless of what his religion or beliefs, or whether they are traditional Biblical views or not, he has the right to say them, as does the KKK.
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    He doesn't have the right to incite violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    He doesn't have the right to incite violence.
    I don't see that he did, they took out the death penalty.
    2ndly it is in a different country. They might want to try prosecuting him there, instead of the US.
    People say hateful things all the time, they are never punished.

    ETA- People even say things to incite violence and are not punished. It isn't the same as FIRE in a crowed theater.
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    Whatever their local laws are should be the measure of behavior while there - or do not go. If he violated laws in Uganda, he should be charged. Being an American citizen visiting other countries does not make us exceptionary to others' laws. But if a crime is done elsewhere the person needs to be prosecuted there in that country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    I think no, because regardless of what his religion or beliefs, or whether they are traditional Biblical views or not, he has the right to say them, as does the KKK.
    But only if on American soil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myyams View Post
    Whatever their local laws are should be the measure of behavior while there - or do not go. If he violated laws in Uganda, he should be charged. Being an American citizen visiting other countries does not make us exceptionary to others' laws.
    Agreed but he isn't being sued by Uganda. He is being sued by an organizational group in Uganda.

    The difference is as I see it, he didn't break an outright law, or he would have been arrested. He is doing something that a group in another country disagreed with. That group is protesting him and wanting "Justice" for what he said. If he had started or "incited a riot" he would have had to deal with the state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Agreed but he isn't being sued by Uganda. He is being sued by an organizational group in Uganda.

    The difference is as I see it, he didn't break an outright law, or he would have been arrested. He is doing something that a group in another country disagreed with. That group is protesting him and wanting "Justice" for what he said. If he had started or "incited a riot" he would have had to deal with the state.
    So they basically need to get their case together and until and unless they are able to do that there is nothing to be done. Protest til they pass out but until and unless charges are filed through their legal system I do not get what the issue is really.
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    I would be interested to know how influential he was in helping to draft the death penalty law in Uganda. I also don't know what the laws are in Uganda regarding free speech, freedom of religion, et cetera. I do think that if you go to another country and break their laws then you should face their courts, regardless of whether or not what you did would be legal in the US. US law, as far as I know, only protects you for acts committed on US soil.

    I just don't know enough about the laws in Uganda or what he did while there to say whether or not this lawsuit is appropriate or if anything will come of it.
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