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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    WWJD?.... Really?
    Matt 21:12 - he not only incited violence both as a man and GOD in the OT, and new.. might want to Read REVELATION ALSO.. But here he WAS violent. Violence is not always evil .
    Jesus is not a figure in the old testament, and in the verse you quote, he doesn't tell anyone to hurt the money changers or kill the dove sellers, nor does he do those things himself, he just knocks over their tables and drives them out of the temple.

    We could probably have an entire separate debate on the book of revelation. My opinion is that Jesus is not the violent one in that book; God is. The first verse says that the revelation was given to Jesus by God; it's God's story, Jesus is the one telling it.

    And violence is always, always evil. Sometimes a necessary evil, but always evil.
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    he did it all without touching them and he asked them nicely and they left?
    Revelation is told by John, not Jesus. Jesus is the WORD, and Jesus is God.

    ETA- Your view is that God is Violent..... All Violence is Evil.. Thus by your own admission or beliefs God is Evil.
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    Just one of the many reasons why I don't believe in any of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Just one of the many reasons why I don't believe in any of it.
    Long as I understand your view.
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    I'm no Biblical scholar-- but isn't Jesus called the Prince of Peace for a reason? I'm the first to admit that I've not thoroughly read the Bible, but my understanding was that Jesus as peaceful and peace loving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boilermaker View Post
    I'm no Biblical scholar-- but isn't Jesus called the Prince of Peace for a reason? I'm the first to admit that I've not thoroughly read the Bible, but my understanding was that Jesus as peaceful and peace loving.
    I believe that he is peaceful, however, he did not and would not take just anything. It angered him that people were misusing the Temple.

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    Jesus is peaceful and loving, but he is also clear that love must include following his teachings.

    Matthew 10
    34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
    “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

    36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[c]
    37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.
    Matthew 7
    13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
    John 14
    23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boilermaker View Post
    I'm no Biblical scholar-- but isn't Jesus called the Prince of Peace for a reason? I'm the first to admit that I've not thoroughly read the Bible, but my understanding was that Jesus as peaceful and peace loving.
    1- It is ok that you aren't but next time you might not want to invoke a religious character that you don't know enough about. Jesus is God. Jesus/God will force Peace. He is also JUST and right, and Peace isn't always right. He is not a one sided character. He does love peace, but I would not call him a pacifist at all. He is very active in promoting and guiding us to what is right. Sometimes that may be seen as violent. That is why I said VIOLENCE isn't always evil. An only peaceful person would never go against the law of the day and go into a place of worship throwing over tables and forcing people out. A Just and righteous person might
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    She said she isn't a Biblical scholar. She never said she didn't know enough about Jesus or God. She might not I don't know but I know I don't consider not being a Biblical scholar as not knowing Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    1- It is ok that you aren't but next time you might not want to invoke a religious character that you don't know enough about. Jesus is God. Jesus/God will force Peace. He is also JUST and right, and Peace isn't always right. He is not a one sided character. He does love peace, but I would not call him a pacifist at all. He is very active in promoting and guiding us to what is right. Sometimes that may be seen as violent. That is why I said VIOLENCE isn't always evil. An only peaceful person would never go against the law of the day and go into a place of worship throwing over tables and forcing people out. A Just and righteous person might
    Yelling & throwing things around is a far different kind of violence than hurting or killing someone. You still haven't shown me where in the bible does Jesus personally advocate hurting or killing other people.
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