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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Let me give you some examples of the comments that are being made:





    Those are just a couple of examples (and of course there are plenty of counter arguments as well....but i just couldn't believe that people were trying to throw the discrimination and intolerance card out to those who have decided to boycott Treworgy farms.
    The comment that if it was vote yes...I don't get that...obviously they would agree and continue going there. Then the opposing side could boycott if they wanted to. You don't have to boycott it's not a requirement on either side...people are strange.

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    I believe in free speech, but I don't think that First Amendment protects you from a sort of social backlash. It protects you from having the government come in and cart you away. Anytime some one makes a public, controversial comment I think it is fair that they can expect people to react. There is no amendment that protects you from people thinking poorly of you.

    So, I support the farm's right to post a political sign on their property. I also support people's right to choose not to do business with them for any reason. I don't see what is so "intolerant" about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post

    So, I support the farm's right to post a political sign on their property. I also support people's right to choose not to do business with them for any reason. I don't see what is so "intolerant" about that.
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    I obviously disagree with the main consensus on this. I do not think following the legal channels to make the laws you want is intolerant. For example, I do not think voting for someone who is against same sex marriage is intolerant. If that is against mainstream America it will not matter who you voted for, they will not win. You still have the right to vote for whoever you want and to have whatever opinion you want. Now on the other hand, this is not the same as the KKK where they put people on crosses and burnt them alive. The comparison is unreal.

    I do want to clear up that while I support the right to be against same sex marriage, my personal opinion is that there should be no government benefits to marriage for anyone, gay or straight. That you could have one adult dependant and it could be anyone you chose. A sister, a husband, a best friend. Whoever. That would take the whole problem away and be true separation of church and state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I obviously disagree with the main consensus on this. I do not think following the legal channels to make the laws you want is intolerant. For example, I do not think voting for someone who is against same sex marriage is intolerant. If that is against mainstream America it will not matter who you voted for, they will not win. You still have the right to vote for whoever you want and to have whatever opinion you want.
    Are you trying to suggest that if something is put to a vote, or believed by a majority of the people, that means that it can't be an intolerant belief?

    How are the two mutual exclusive. Voting or majorities have nothing to do with the definition of intolerance.


    Now on the other hand, this is not the same as the KKK where they put people on crosses and burnt them alive. The comparison is unreal.
    Simply because more extreme examples of intolerance exist does not mean anything lesser is 'tolerant'

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    What I am saying is you can use the legal means in place to change laws without being intolerant. For example, If I meet a homosexual in real life I would not tell them my opinions on the subject. I would treat them the same as any other person and they would have no reason to believe how I feel. (This is a debate board and I am more open with discussion) However, I can still vote along my beliefs with still being very tolerant to the people in my life. Treating them with respect and kindness.

    Intolerance would be being mean, rude and obnoxious to said person. The attitude of "Eww, You are gay. You have cooties. Get away from me." That would be intolerant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I believe in free speech, but I don't think that First Amendment protects you from a sort of social backlash. It protects you from having the government come in and cart you away. Anytime some one makes a public, controversial comment I think it is fair that they can expect people to react. There is no amendment that protects you from people thinking poorly of you.

    So, I support the farm's right to post a political sign on their property. I also support people's right to choose not to do business with them for any reason. I don't see what is so "intolerant" about that.
    I agree with you. It seems that many people are of the belief that they were 'forced' somehow to take their sign down, when in reality they chose to take it down. Because they keep bringing up that their rights have been taken away from them and keep trying to make it a freedom of speech issue.

    I can only guess that the two go together somehow....that they feel there is intolerance from the pro gay marriage community because they have somehow 'forced' them to take their sign down and have refused to do business with them based on their beliefs.

    I have no seen stranger definitions of the word 'force' and of the word 'intolerant'...and even 'hate' than i have in the last two days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    What I am saying is you can use the legal means in place to change laws without being intolerant.
    Intolerance is not a legal term...it has nothing to do with legal or illegal. Things that are legal can be intolerant...they can be mistakes, bad beliefs put into law.

    If the majority of people were to vote back in segregation of blacks from whites today...does that all of a sudden mean that it is no longer an intolerant view? SImply because it was put in place by a legal system?

    This argument makes no sense. Legal does not equal tolerance and the legal system can't somehow magically make something that is intolerant not intolerant.

    For example, If I mean a homosexual in real life I would not tell them my opinions on the subject. I would treat them the same as any other person and they would have no reason to believe how I feel.
    Who cares what you say to their face, if you would choose an action that directly affects their ability to do what you do...youar actions are intolerant. Just because you would do something behind their back and be nice to their face doesn't make you a tolerant person. I am using the general you...not you specific. If you have views....keep them to yourself and never try to affect their lives, to their face OR behind their back, then you are tolerant.

    (This is a debate board and I am more open with discussion) However, I can still vote along my beliefs with still being very tolerant to the people in my life. Treating them with respect and kindness.
    If you are Christian, and I am friendly to your face and never share my personal view of your faith, but then attempt to legally ban the participation in organized Christian Churches, i am not tolerant of Christianity. I'm just intolerant and you don't know it.


    Intolerance would be being mean, rude and obnoxious to said person. The attitude of "Eww, You are gay. You have cooties. Get away from me." That would be intolerant.
    This is just flat out false...and is not the defintion of intolerance.

    tol?er?ate/ˈt?ləˌrāt/
    Verb:
    Allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.
    Accept or endure (someone or something unpleasant or disliked) with forbearance.

    The second definition is not the type we are talking about. That would be like a 'high tolerance for pain.'
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    I think that you can be against something and not be intolerant. An example of this would be the people who believe that you should not live together before marriage. In their churches they may talk about not living together before marriage. At home, they may tell their children that they do not think they should live together before marriage. But they also don't typically try to make it illegal for consenting adults to live together before marriage. They live their beliefs by simply not engaging in the act that they believe is wrong. I believe that is a good example of being tolerant towards something that you disagree with.

    The homosexual marriage thing is different, since instead of being content to not engage in homosexual marriage (as they are with not living together) Christians have taken it upon themselves to make it illegal. It is that piece of it that crosses the line into intolerance IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    The homosexual marriage thing is different, since instead of being content to not engage in homosexual marriage (as they are with not living together) Christians have taken it upon themselves to make it illegal. It is that piece of it that crosses the line into intolerance IMO.
    Yes that whole 'inteference' thing.....gets you every time

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