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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I don't think that bullying is purely physical. If I disliked you and actively worked to try to get you fired from your job, that would be bullying, would it not? I think whenever you actively work to bring harm to someone because you dislike them or disagree with them, you are being a bully.
    We will have to agree to disagree because I do not agree that voting for a political candidate is bullying or that it makes you a bad person.

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    OK, I can't figure out where this debate is going but I'm going to spin back to the gay marriage tolerance thing. There's a case in New York where an engaged lesbian (EL) couple is suing a married straight (MS) couple who rent out their farm for weddings. Gay marriage is now legal in New York and the EL couple wanted to get married at this farm. They paid a deposit, but then the MS couple found out the ELs were lesbian and refused to proceed with the contract. The EL couple is suing to make sure that any wedding-related business must follow the law and allow gay & lesbian weddings. This is what I mean when I say that not addressing intolerance is a de facto acceptance. This EL couple could have just gone off and gotten married somewhere else, but then other gay couples might want to get married at that farm and encounter the same thing. They would be perpetuating the intolerance by not doing something to correct it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal

    I don't think that bullying is purely physical. If I disliked you and actively worked to try to get you fired from your job, that would be bullying, would it not? I think whenever you actively work to bring harm to someone because you dislike them or disagree with them, you are being a bully.
    We will have to agree to disagree because I do not agree that voting for a political candidate is bullying or that it makes you a bad person.
    I don't understand how you can disagree, but it seems like the comment has nothing to do with the other. And not voting for someone doesn't make you a bully or bad person, but insisting your employees do because otherwise they will lose their job is bullying and makes you an unethical person.


    I think being intolerant of intolerance is technically intolerant, but a definitely more acceptable kind of intolerance. I think we need two levels of intolerance lol maybe we could think of a new word for being intolerant of intolerance?

    I'm TOTALLY intolerant or intolerance. I don't care what that makes me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smsturner View Post
    I don't understand how you can disagree, but it seems like the comment has nothing to do with the other. And not voting for someone doesn't make you a bully or bad person, but insisting your employees do because otherwise they will lose their job is bullying and makes you an unethical person.


    I think being intolerant of intolerance is technically intolerant, but a definitely more acceptable kind of intolerance. I think we need two levels of intolerance lol maybe we could think of a new word for being intolerant of intolerance?

    I'm TOTALLY intolerant or intolerance. I don't care what that makes me.
    I think we are intolerant of lots of things, and thats good! Like violence for example or drunk driving. THere is a place and time for intolerance. I'm intolerant of the verbal fighting that goes on between my kids...or of late homework. All those things will invoke someone to interfere and put an end to the behavior...and thats the way it should be.

    I think when people throw out the word in an accusatory manner, or as a negative quality, it is when we see it as an issue of being intolerant of human rights. It seems to me when the word is used on its own and negatively "This is an example of intolerance, and is an embarrassment to our society"....it almost always has to do with treating people as equals or protecting someones human rights.

    And being 'intolerant of intolerance' is really a way of saying "I am intolerant of violations of human rights and equality"

    ETA: I am at the point where the words tolerance and intolerance have been said so many times that they are beginning to sound funny....like made up words. Isn't that weird when that happens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I think we are intolerant of lots of things, and thats good! Like violence for example or drunk driving. THere is a place and time for intolerance. I'm intolerant of the verbal fighting that goes on between my kids...or of late homework. All those things will invoke someone to interfere and put an end to the behavior...and thats the way it should be.

    I think when people throw out the word in an accusatory manner, or as a negative quality, it is when we see it as an issue of being intolerant of human rights. It seems to me when the word is used on its own and negatively "This is an example of intolerance, and is an embarrassment to our society"....it almost always has to do with treating people as equals or protecting someones human rights.

    And being 'intolerant of intolerance' is really a way of saying "I am intolerant of violations of human rights and equality"

    ETA: I am at the point where the words tolerance and intolerance have been said so many times that they are beginning to sound funny....like made up words. Isn't that weird when that happens?
    Totally agree with this post.

    Also, to the bolded, I got that way in the anti-bullying debate. I said bully so many times that it started to sound like a made up word. LOL

    ETA: I think that people have figured out that if you value tolerance (having more to do with equality and rights) then being called "intolerant" is an easy insult.

    "You're intolerant."
    "No, YOU'RE intolerant for not tolerating my intolerance!"
    "Am I really intolerant?"

    But I don't think that tolerance means that you have to agree with or even like every opinion out there. If that were the case, who could possibly actually be tolerant? What I think it really means is, do you respect others' rights to have differing opinions, even if you disagree with them. "Respect" by the way, doesn't mean "agree with their opinion" or "think it's equally valid." Just like the example I gave of people living together before marriage; people who are against it don't have to think that it's just fine and dandy, they only have to respect the fact that it's not their place to make that decision for other consenting adults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smsturner View Post
    , but insisting your employees do because otherwise they will lose their job is bullying and makes you an unethical person.
    Who insists their employees vote a certain way? Particularly in a controversial way like this? You can not make your employees vote any certain way, neither can your boss go into your polling booth with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I think we are intolerant of lots of things, and thats good! Like violence for example or drunk driving. THere is a place and time for intolerance. I'm intolerant of the verbal fighting that goes on between my kids...or of late homework. All those things will invoke someone to interfere and put an end to the behavior...and thats the way it should be.

    I think when people throw out the word in an accusatory manner, or as a negative quality, it is when we see it as an issue of being intolerant of human rights. It seems to me when the word is used on its own and negatively "This is an example of intolerance, and is an embarrassment to our society"....it almost always has to do with treating people as equals or protecting someones human rights.

    And being 'intolerant of intolerance' is really a way of saying "I am intolerant of violations of human rights and equality"

    ETA: I am at the point where the words tolerance and intolerance have been said so many times that they are beginning to sound funny....like made up words. Isn't that weird when that happens?
    lol...I often think the same thing. I see a word any particular day so many times that it doesn't look like the real word to me anymore, and when I say the word it sounds funny, like foreign or something. Like the other day it was the word 'job'. I just had issues all day long with that word.

    Admittedly I am extremely intolerant of certain things. I also tolerate lots of other things. To me tolerance implies that you don't necessarily agree with something, but respect that it is agreeable to others. Live and let live, I suppose. That's tolerance to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    The homosexual marriage thing is different, since instead of being content to not engage in homosexual marriage (as they are with not living together) Christians have taken it upon themselves to make it illegal. It is that piece of it that crosses the line into intolerance IMO.
    It's not different. Instead of being content to not get married (which is a union between a man and a woman) Gay activists have taken it upon themselves to change the definition of marriage to make it legal. (It was already illegal they are the one's trying to change things). I would guess that marriage means a lot more to religious people than the gay activists who may be religious in some cases but not on a large scale. But instead of actually making it about rights and going for a civil union for everyone or something similar which they could have MORE easily have done because less people would object, they are trying to take away the meaning of marriage from those who it means the most to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It's not different. Instead of being content to not get married (which is a union between a man and a woman) Gay activists have taken it upon themselves to change the definition of marriage to make it legal. (It was already illegal they are the one's trying to change things). I would guess that marriage means a lot more to religious people than the gay activists who may be religious in some cases but not on a large scale. But instead of actually making it about rights and going for a civil union for everyone or something similar which they could have MORE easily have done because less people would object, they are trying to take away the meaning of marriage from those who it means the most to.
    It is presumptuous to think that marriage only matters to religious people. It matters tremendously to me, and I am not religious. I could have lived with my husband indefinitely but we chose to get married because it matters a great deal to us. It certainly matters a great deal to the best example I have at my disposal, my father. He's been with his husband for over 35 years, they have two children. How can you say that (a) marriage doesn't matter to them; and (b) they want to take ANYTHING away from you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It's not different. Instead of being content to not get married (which is a union between a man and a woman) Gay activists have taken it upon themselves to change the definition of marriage to make it legal. (It was already illegal they are the one's trying to change things). I would guess that marriage means a lot more to religious people than the gay activists who may be religious in some cases but not on a large scale. But instead of actually making it about rights and going for a civil union for everyone or something similar which they could have MORE easily have done because less people would object, they are trying to take away the meaning of marriage from those who it means the most to.
    Seriously....i can't tell sometimes, if this is just genuinely your thought process that you innocently put out on the table or if you try to purposely find things to say to truly piss people off.

    You have no understanding or concept of what marriage means to people aside from in your own little bubble.
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