OK, I can't figure out where this debate is going but I'm going to spin back to the gay marriage tolerance thing. There's a case in New York where an engaged lesbian (EL) couple is suing a married straight (MS) couple who rent out their farm for weddings. Gay marriage is now legal in New York and the EL couple wanted to get married at this farm. They paid a deposit, but then the MS couple found out the ELs were lesbian and refused to proceed with the contract. The EL couple is suing to make sure that any wedding-related business must follow the law and allow gay & lesbian weddings. This is what I mean when I say that not addressing intolerance is a de facto acceptance. This EL couple could have just gone off and gotten married somewhere else, but then other gay couples might want to get married at that farm and encounter the same thing. They would be perpetuating the intolerance by not doing something to correct it.
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I think being intolerant of intolerance is technically intolerant, but a definitely more acceptable kind of intolerance. I think we need two levels of intolerance lol maybe we could think of a new word for being intolerant of intolerance?
I'm TOTALLY intolerant or intolerance. I don't care what that makes me.
I think when people throw out the word in an accusatory manner, or as a negative quality, it is when we see it as an issue of being intolerant of human rights. It seems to me when the word is used on its own and negatively "This is an example of intolerance, and is an embarrassment to our society"....it almost always has to do with treating people as equals or protecting someones human rights.
And being 'intolerant of intolerance' is really a way of saying "I am intolerant of violations of human rights and equality"
ETA: I am at the point where the words tolerance and intolerance have been said so many times that they are beginning to sound funny....like made up words. Isn't that weird when that happens?
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Also, to the bolded, I got that way in the anti-bullying debate. I said bully so many times that it started to sound like a made up word. LOL
ETA: I think that people have figured out that if you value tolerance (having more to do with equality and rights) then being called "intolerant" is an easy insult.
"No, YOU'RE intolerant for not tolerating my intolerance!"
"Am I really intolerant?"
But I don't think that tolerance means that you have to agree with or even like every opinion out there. If that were the case, who could possibly actually be tolerant? What I think it really means is, do you respect others' rights to have differing opinions, even if you disagree with them. "Respect" by the way, doesn't mean "agree with their opinion" or "think it's equally valid." Just like the example I gave of people living together before marriage; people who are against it don't have to think that it's just fine and dandy, they only have to respect the fact that it's not their place to make that decision for other consenting adults.
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Admittedly I am extremely intolerant of certain things. I also tolerate lots of other things. To me tolerance implies that you don't necessarily agree with something, but respect that it is agreeable to others. Live and let live, I suppose. That's tolerance to me.
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