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Alabama fan gets 2 years for sexual battery against LSU fan - KPLC 7 News, Lake Charles, Louisiana

I'm an lsu fan and am appalled someone would get jailtime for this in new orleans.

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I'm not appalled. People need to be punished when they rub their genitals on other people when they are unconscious. What a sicko.

Lillie, Do you think because the lady lives in NO that she doesn't have the right to be free from someone rubbing their genitals on her when she is unconscious? Or do you think LSU fans should be allowed to have genitals rubbed on them? I'm really confused about your statements and the tying in of that you're an LSU fan and the NO part.

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I'm not appalled. People need to be punished when they rub their genitals on other people when they are unconscious. What a sicko.

Lillie, Do you think because the lady lives in NO that she doesn't have the right to be free from someone rubbing their genitals on her when she is unconscious? Or do you think LSU fans should be allowed to have genitals rubbed on them? I'm really confused about your statements and the tying in of that you're an LSU fan and the NO part.

This is going to be terrible, but I thought it was a man and knowing it's a woman makes me feel a little bit more icky. watching the video, all I could really see was the blurred out spot and the purple shirt. I thought it was fraternity like behavior. And IMO if you pass out drunk in the middle of Bourbon street, you are too stupid to be allowed to live let alone expect protection from a prank. Two years is a long time for something that didn't actually hurt anyone. She may have been embarrassed and grossed out, but honestly, she should have felt like that anyway.

I was saying that NO isn't exactly known for their rational behavior laws or ability to keep crime down and that the two teams are serious rivals. Sports are a big thing down here. You should have been here for the look an Arkansas fan gave my brother when he just said "Go LSU" to her on the pier.

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This is going to be terrible, but I thought it was a man and knowing it's a woman makes me feel a little bit more icky. watching the video, all I could really see was the blurred out spot and the purple shirt. I thought it was fraternity like behavior. And IMO if you pass out drunk in the middle of Bourbon street, you are too stupid to be allowed to live let alone expect protection from a prank. Two years is a long time for something that didn't actually hurt anyone. She may have been embarrassed and grossed out, but honestly, she should have felt like that anyway.

I was saying that NO isn't exactly known for their rational behavior laws or ability to keep crime down and that the two teams are serious rivals. Sports are a big thing down here. You should have been here for the look an Arkansas fan gave my brother when he just said "Go LSU" to her on the pier.

LOL I was wondering.... but even still..I think people have the right to not be sexually abused when they are passed out. odd right how I would think that though haha.. Blum 3

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Regardless of if she is passed out or not (which yes does allow for several risk factors) he rubbed his genitals on her without her consent. He is lucky all he got was the 2 vs. the 10 years.

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That smacks of blaming the victim. Is getting drunk to passing out good behaviour? No. Does it mean you should be sexually assaulted? Heck no!

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saying that a stupid prank that does include genitals but isn't sexual in nature sexual assault belittles those who've actually suffered from sexual assault.

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Ah yes, oneupmanship. "I'm so much worse than you."

No. Just because forceful penetration and having someone place their genitals on you then post a video for the world to see are different, doesn't mean they are not both forms of sexual assault.

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No, I'm just saying it wasn't sexual in nature and it wasn't a sexual act. Which does indeed mean it's not sexual assault.

eta- It does meet the criteria for sexual obscenity though-

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/10/alabama_man_set_for_trial_in_a.html

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Sexual assault means to use inappropriate touching which this most certainly is.

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yeah, that's not what the law says in Louisiana. Unless he touched the other guys genitalia or anus then it really doesn't fit the bill. I couldn't find anythign to see if NO had a separate and more broad definition.

eta-I live an hour and a half away from NO and can honestly say this guy had absolutely no fair chance of an unbiased jury (and judge according to the article) within 300 miles of Baton Rouge.

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This is first site I pulled up and it says that it is:

What is the definition of sexual battery in Louisiana

(2) The touching of the anus or genitals of the offender by the victim using any instrumentality or any part of the body of the victim

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This is first site I pulled up and it says that it is:

What is the definition of sexual battery in Louisiana

(2) The touching of the anus or genitals of the offender by the victim using any instrumentality or any part of the body of the victim

but if you keep reading, it puts limitations. This guy was between the ages listed and has no disability (either mental or physical).

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Ok, I am so confused. Do you really think what this guy did should not be against the law? If I found out someone had rubbed them self on me while I was pasted out I would feel so violated.

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Lillie~you are right and I"m sorry. I typing at work (what else is new? LOL) and the page scrolled and I missed that part. My bad.

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Ok, I am so confused. Do you really think what this guy did should not be against the law? If I found out someone had rubbed them self on me while I was pasted out I would feel so violated.

This. Lillie, are you saying that you don't think that rubbing your genitals against someone without their consent should be against the law, or are you saying that 2 years is too stiff a sentence for rubbing your genitals on someone without their consent?

I agree that being passed out drunk is bad behavior and can unfortunately make you more vulnerable to attack. But at the end of the day, I still put full blame on the attacker, not the attacked. I mean really, what does the fact that she was passed out matter to what he did? What if he had walked up and rubbed his genitals on her when she was stone sober? It's the same action on his part, no matter what her state is. And drunk or not, no one has the right to violate you. I just don't even know how her being drunk even plays into it, to be honest.

Also, if having too much to drink one night makes you too stupid to live, I'm sorry to say that I should be dead several times over in my life by now. I think that's a mistake that many of us have made at least once, I'm afraid.

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"wlillie" wrote:

but if you keep reading, it puts limitations. This guy was between the ages listed and has no disability (either mental or physical).

I think one could make the argument that having a disability means that the person would be more vulnerable, which makes an act even more reprehensible than an act done with a person who doesn't have a disability. Still reprehensible though. When a person is unconscious, that person is also totally vulnerable - making an act more reprehensible.

Besides this even..it's just way out of line and people have the right to not be violated no matter what mental state or capacity they are in and no matter the situation. It's horrible.

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This. Lillie, are you saying that you don't think that rubbing your genitals against someone without their consent should be against the law, or are you saying that 2 years is too stiff a sentence for rubbing your genitals on someone without their consent?

I agree that being passed out drunk is bad behavior and can unfortunately make you more vulnerable to attack. But at the end of the day, I still put full blame on the attacker, not the attacked. I mean really, what does the fact that she was passed out matter to what he did? What if he had walked up and rubbed his genitals on her when she was stone sober? It's the same action on his part, no matter what her state is. And drunk or not, no one has the right to violate you. I just don't even know how her being drunk even plays into it, to be honest.

Also, if having too much to drink one night makes you too stupid to live, I'm sorry to say that I should be dead several times over in my life by now. I think that's a mistake that many of us have made at least once, I'm afraid.

I totally think it should be illegal. He exposed himself in public and no one was paying. It was guy on guy which to me is more frat boy/sports fanatic behavior. There was absolutely no sexual intent or content included. Just like breastfeeding in public is acceptable but just flashing people isn't. One is meant to be sexual, the other is just feeding your kid. People can try to insinuate or interpret the action as sexual, but it isn't.This guy was most definitely trying to humiliate the LSU guy, but he didn't sexually assault him. If the Alabama fan had drawn all over LSU guy with a black marker, the video would have been just as viral. Because to immature people (the kind who get so drunk they don't remember what they did until someone shows them on youtube) this stuff is funny.

I think there are some pretty unintelligent people on mommy boards, but I can't think of one that would get drunk enough to pass out in public on Bourbon street.

eta- Especially during that particular game time. I forgot about it and wore an LSU shirt in an Alabama Panera Bread and despite being visibly pregnant, visibly grumpy, and visibly with an Alabama fan, they heckled me and even jokingly threatened to not serve me until I reminded them I was pregnant and didn't have a whole lot of clothes that fit.

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I thought the victim was a woman? I can't see the video from work.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter to me if it was meant to be sexual or not. It's still some dude rubbing his genitals on someone who didn't consent. If that happened to me, I wouldn't much care if the intent was to be funny or to be sexy. Either way, unwanted genitals on my person!

I can't speak specifically to Bourbon St or LSU games since I've never been. All I'm saying is, I have been stupid drunk a couple of times in my life, as have many people I know. Which isn't something I'm proud of, but also not something that I think means you are too stupid to live.

And regardless of how drunk you are, I still don't think that makes it okay for someone to victimize you in any way (be it sexual, or just stealing your purse.)

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But if it had been his stinky feet that he'd rubbed on the guy, we wouldn't be having this debate. My point is that the genitalia wasn't bineg used in a sexual way, so he shouldn't be charged with sexual assault. Not that he didn't do anything wrong, but being labeled a sex offender and two years is far too harsh for a stupid and over the top prank.

If we can't distinguish between male genitals being used for a sexual reason, then we can't honestly say that women should breastfeed in public.

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But if it had been his stinky feet that he'd rubbed on the guy, we wouldn't be having this debate. My point is that the genitalia wasn't bineg used in a sexual way, so he shouldn't be charged with sexual assault. Not that he didn't do anything wrong, but being labeled a sex offender and two years is far too harsh for a stupid and over the top prank.

If we can't distinguish between male genitals being used for a sexual reason, then we can't honestly say that women should breastfeed in public.

I don't think rubbing your junk on some unsusecting person can be compared to public breastfeeding at all! Breastfeeding is a legit act. If I walked up and rubbed my boobs on some one, I'm sure I'd be arrested and charged for sexual assualt as well, but that still doesn't mean that it's wrong to NIP. They are two different things.

Like it or not, we sexualize certain parts of the body. Genitals definitely. Boobs mostly (although again, NIP is legit.) You're going to get a much bigger gross out reaction if someone puts their genitals or boobs on you in an unwanted way than if they put their arm on you. And really, isn't that why he used his genitals instead of his hand? Specifically because we have that perception of genitals?

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It's so gross and traumatic.

"(Downing) puts his genitals in a person's face, whether it's a man or a woman, I think there should be some punishment for that," said District Attorney Leon Cannizzaro, according to CBS affiliate WWL-TV in New Orleans.

State District Judge Karen Herman set sentencing for Nov. 29.

A video that went viral on the Internet appeared to show someone in a University of Alabama jacket performing a simulated sex act on an unconscious man at the restaurant after the Crimson Tide beat LSU for the BCS football championship on Jan. 9.

The LSU fan, whose name has not been released, has sued Downing, asking damages for "mental anguish, humiliation, embarrassment, anxiety and depression ... damage to reputation" and lost tuition payments "for having to withdraw from school." Under state law, lawsuits cannot include a suggested dollar amount for damages for pain and suffering.

Alabama fan admits to sexually taunting LSU fan - CBS News

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I am a little bit in aww of this debate. Is it for real? This is one where I really do not understand the other POV. (Not trying to be mean, I just do not understand) This seems very cut and dry to me, and I am surprised that there is opposition to to it.

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I finally found an unedited video. I was wrong. I thought he just teabagged him.

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I snorted at the phrase "just teabagged him."

What did he actually do?

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"wlillie" wrote:

But if it had been his stinky feet that he'd rubbed on the guy, we wouldn't be having this debate. My point is that the genitalia wasn't bineg used in a sexual way, so he shouldn't be charged with sexual assault. Not that he didn't do anything wrong, but being labeled a sex offender and two years is far too harsh for a stupid and over the top prank.

If we can't distinguish between male genitals being used for a sexual reason, then we can't honestly say that women should breastfeed in public.

Male genitals have 2 uses and neither of them are appropriate in public! There is no comparison to breastfeeding imo. And honestly to draw that comparison is offensive imo. Breasts are food! A penis does not have a food or any other non-sexual/non-urine use. There is no valid reason to pull out your penis in public.

I can't believe you are defending this. If someone uses their genitals on someone who is non-consenting, then it is sexual assault. Period. This is not some little prank.

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

I don't think rubbing your junk on some unsusecting person can be compared to public breastfeeding at all! Breastfeeding is a legit act. If I walked up and rubbed my boobs on some one, I'm sure I'd be arrested and charged for sexual assualt as well, but that still doesn't mean that it's wrong to NIP. They are two different things.

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

I snorted at the phrase "just teabagged him."

What did he actually do?

It's bad. He started to teabag him, fell over onto the guys face, and then continued to move. Teabagging is not a big deal here. You pass out drunk at a party and you take the chance someone is going to pop their balls on your forehead, whether they know you or not. It was this way in Columbus Ohio, Northwestern State University, McNeese State University, Bellevue University in Nebraska, and Columbia South Carolina. Which is why it seemed so insane to me that this was considered sexual assault.

If someone can find me anything on a woman being arrested for rubbing her boobs on anyone, you will make my day. Smile And I know I can't be the only one who hung out more with guys than girls during their drinking/college/stupid phase on this debate board.

Also, if anyone can provide a spot where I defend it, I'd love to see it. The guy was wrong, but to say that this was sexual (if it hadn't gone past the video in the article), is also wrong.

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I am sorry, but IMO, anything involving a man's penis other than urinating and going to the doctor is sexual.

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Than breastfeeding is also. Wink

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How do you figure? In that example breast feeding would be like urinating. Using the body part for its designed function.

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Why would breastfeeding be wrong? That is what our breasts are for.

I don't care how common it is everywhere that you have lived. It is still assault.

Years ago, it was common to beat your wife. Should we have kept turning a blind eye to that?