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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I see that as our sort of uneasy truce between the rights of the individual and the good of the many. You have the right to make the choice....but if your choice results in harming someone else then you have to own that and be responsible for it. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't fight it if we just removed the choice and made vaccines mandated for everyone who could get them safely, but if people want to keep the choice then I think that the trade off is that they be responsible for the outcome of that choice.
    Yeah, i understand. I think a lot of us are saying that we truly are not okay with people exercising this right because the effect it has on society. But i guess I feel like not officially/legally acknowledging that we really don't want anyone to exercise that right makes it really more difficult to say that you can truly face consequences for it.

    Going unvaxed is not like driving a car...its like driving a car drunk. Driving drunk is always unsafe, whether you cause an accident or not.

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    I'm generally pro most vaccines but I don't like the current schedule of giving half a dozen vaccines at once to a months-old baby. My only concern in supporting mandated vaccinations is the timing. I refused to expose my tiny baby to six diseases at once and I think other parents should have that right, too. I don't doubt the safety & effectiveness of the individual vaccines, but I didn't want to stress my baby's immature immune system with multiple combined vaccines. I chose a delayed schedule and they were both up to date before they were two. (Except for chicken pox, which we tried to get naturally but gave later, and HepA for which we have no risk factors.) Had my kids been in daycare I might have made a different decision but they were both at home, and my husband & I were both up to date on our vaccinations, too.

    And here, if your child doesn't have a vaccine for any reason, and there is an outbreak, they aren't allowed in school or daycare. And it seems the school district will enforce it. We had a whooping cough outbreak here in 2010 and the school district warned that kids who did not have a pertussis vaccine on record wouldn't be allowed at school after a certain date, and wouldn't be allowed back for at least two weeks after getting the shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Um..... You did. You made that choice for your children without their consent.
    After this comment I am now wondering what Kaiya would want in terms of the chicken pox vaccine. She is nearly 5 and I wonder if she would understand. For babies we have to make the choice for them, but should we for older children? Should we get their input?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuchsiasky View Post
    After this comment I am now wondering what Kaiya would want in terms of the chicken pox vaccine. She is nearly 5 and I wonder if she would understand. For babies we have to make the choice for them, but should we for older children? Should we get their input?
    Guardasil is a big one on this front due to the age at which it's given. I think that at 5 a child isn't really able to understand the implications of disease (or of getting CP as an adult vs a child etc). I see it as my job to research it and make that decision for them - just like I decide to feed them hormone free meats or dairy products or where we educate them, you know?

    My child at 5 isn't yet able to consider the long term implications of diet (so if they chose to go chicken nugget only I would override it) and if they chose to not get a vax I would override it because they aren't yet able to make that decision logically instead of emotionally (ie not wanting to get a shot). I also have no problem with society making certain rules that do touch on public Health and parenting.

    bonita, does it outrage you that you were not legally allowed to circumcise your daughters? Why did you accept that parenting rule but would not accept vaccination rules? Did you get vitamin k shots? Did you get eye ointment? Those are generally mandated- did those things outrage you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuchsiasky View Post
    After this comment I am now wondering what Kaiya would want in terms of the chicken pox vaccine. She is nearly 5 and I wonder if she would understand. For babies we have to make the choice for them, but should we for older children? Should we get their input?
    We did talk with Tiven about the chickenpox vaccine, which we got for her when she was 5 and hadn't gotten the disease naturally. She didn't remember having any shots before that one. We didn't present it as an option, just said, this is what we're doing for you, and we explained why. (Protection for Weston who would be born soon, and also for her because she would be going to school with 250 kids at elementary school rather than the 20 at preschool.) She was totally cool with it, didn't even cry. It just didn't seem right to stick a needle in her arm without explaining it first, kwim?

    And I plan to include her in the discussion about Gardasil when she's 12. I have some serious concerns about that vaccine, but I also don't want her to lose her fertility or birth options to cervical cancer, and things might change either way before then. When the time comes, we will collect the most up-to-date information I can find, and discuss the pros & cons of the vaccine, of having the vaccine later but before she chooses to be sexually active, and also how safe sex practices play into that one, as well.
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    Gardasil is tricky for me as well. I will definitely consider their input before consenting to it and I would prefer that they make the decision on their own accord on that one (with input from me). The fact that it only helps, what 4 types of cervical cancer, isn't a huge issue for me.
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    They asked me last year if i wanted to have Emma get the Gardasil shot. I put it off, saying didnt' want to decide right then.

    Here we are a year later and I will probably be asked again. Really, as smart and sharp and good of a listener Emma is, i really can't see her having the depth of knowledge, of what she is actually considering to make a well informed decision on this.

    I'm not saying I won't talk to her about it, but i think ultimately, i'm going to make this my decision. I'm not at all comfortable thinking that this is a decision she should make for her self with me just providing input. She's 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Gardasil is tricky for me as well. I will definitely consider their input before consenting to it and I would prefer that they make the decision on their own accord on that one (with input from me). The fact that it only helps, what 4 types of cervical cancer, isn't a huge issue for me.
    I am confused. Why is it ok for you to turn down some vaccines, but it is criminal to turn down others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I am confused. Why is it ok for you to turn down some vaccines, but it is criminal to turn down others?
    HPV is a sexually transmitted disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    HPV is a sexually transmitted disease.
    And? What does that change?

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