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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    And? What does that change?
    Are we not having this debate because we are concerned about people contracting it that are not vaccinated yet? Like babies...and pregnant women?
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    HPV is not something that is a big concern for me. I mean it is but, well I hope you know what I mean.

    My kids can't catch HPV from walking next to someone at the grocery store. They can get pertussis, measles, chicken pox etc by doing that.
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    Also, if there was a state mandate for it...I would just do it.
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    My point was about deciding if you can or can not get a vaccine vs. the Government deciding for you. Who decides which vaccines are worthy of suing over? You did not get your flu shot and gave the flu to your elderly aunt and she dies. The flu shot is not mandated but people die from the flu. How do you decide which vaccines are worthy of suing and which are ok to decide yourself?

    I can respect the Government making legal laws mandating vaccines (I might not agree, but I can respect it). I can not respect a private individual being able to sue someone for doing or not doing something perfectly legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    My point was about deciding if you can or can not get a vaccine vs. the Government deciding for you. Who decides which vaccines are worthy of suing over? You did not get your flu shot and gave the flu to your elderly aunt and she dies. The flu shot is not mandated but people die from the flu. How do you decide which vaccines are worthy of suing and which are ok to decide yourself?
    You don't see the difference between measels and the flu, or HPV and the flu? I think its pretty clear, in how they spread, and what the vaccine actually protects you from. I think you are making problems wher enone exist. There are pretty clear cut ways to decide which ones could be mandated for the reasons we are speaking about here

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    The real issue is who is in control of your life? You yourself or the Government? Many people on here want the Government to be in charge of everything. Others think people should be able to (within reason) to be in control of their own decisions.

    That still is separate from being able to sue for someone not getting a vaccine that legally allows exemptions.

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    I don't want the government involved in every aspect of my life nor do I think anyone on here does.

    I do consider this beyond personal choice. It has to be. We are a global community and need to respond as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Guardasil is a big one on this front due to the age at which it's given. I think that at 5 a child isn't really able to understand the implications of disease (or of getting CP as an adult vs a child etc). I see it as my job to research it and make that decision for them - just like I decide to feed them hormone free meats or dairy products or where we educate them, you know?

    My child at 5 isn't yet able to consider the long term implications of diet (so if they chose to go chicken nugget only I would override it) and if they chose to not get a vax I would override it because they aren't yet able to make that decision logically instead of emotionally (ie not wanting to get a shot). I also have no problem with society making certain rules that do touch on public Health and parenting.
    I agree. Which is why we made the decisions we did to not get it the first round.

    But we are coming up on it again with the kinder vaxes. She hasn't gotten it naturally and may not. So to her it is a question of whether she would like to be really itchy once or potentially lightly itchy a few times (her friend had the vax and has had CP 4 times since). We were always planning to do it for her grade 6 vaxes anyways if she hadn't had it yet.

    She said she would rather get a shot to not get the full chicken pox. Even if it means she gets it a few times but with less itch. Does that decide things? No. But I will do some more research and see since she would rather have it that way.

    Gardrasil we will have to see about. I want more information. But she will be involved in that discussion even if she isn't the final decision maker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    I'm generally pro most vaccines but I don't like the current schedule of giving half a dozen vaccines at once to a months-old baby. My only concern in supporting mandated vaccinations is the timing. I refused to expose my tiny baby to six diseases at once and I think other parents should have that right, too. I don't doubt the safety & effectiveness of the individual vaccines, but I didn't want to stress my baby's immature immune system with multiple combined vaccines. I chose a delayed schedule and they were both up to date before they were two. (Except for chicken pox, which we tried to get naturally but gave later, and HepA for which we have no risk factors.) Had my kids been in daycare I might have made a different decision but they were both at home, and my husband & I were both up to date on our vaccinations, too.

    And here, if your child doesn't have a vaccine for any reason, and there is an outbreak, they aren't allowed in school or daycare. And it seems the school district will enforce it. We had a whooping cough outbreak here in 2010 and the school district warned that kids who did not have a pertussis vaccine on record wouldn't be allowed at school after a certain date, and wouldn't be allowed back for at least two weeks after getting the shot.
    But to me that seems like a case of too little too late. Outbreaks happen because of unvaccinated children. Attempting to protect the unvaccinated after an outbreak is like trying to get the horse back in the corral once it's escaped. The real effort should be put into educating parents as to the benefits to vaccinating, not only to their own children and themselves, but to the community as a whole. For those parents who still choose to not vax because of some irrational fear and for no medical reason there should be repercussions. Maybe suing isn't the answer. Maybe every documented unvaccinated child who does develop a disease that could be prevented by vaccinations should be added to a register of possible transmitters - and if another child exposed to THAT child does get sick because they are either too young to be vaccinated or has a valid medical exemption (and presuming that the unvaxed child did develop one of those preventable diseases) the health region maintaining that registry should send the parents a nice, fat bill for the cost of rehabilitating that sick child
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    Bonita- you say many people on here want the government in charge of everything...... Who?

    name them.

    Ive never ever taken help or assistance from our government (you did, right- you've told your white baby at WIC office story many many times, , I've never ever been a government employee (doesn't your family survive thanks to your husbands job at a public school)? You are all aflutter and worried about keeping your child on pace with public schools (the government runs our schools), you want the government to control women's bodies and what we can ingest (no MAP! No abortions!) yet you inject your own children with the government scheduled vaccinations without their consent, - Don't even get me started on the taxes you pay as it will get too personal (thanks to that same big bad government giving you tax breaks for your mortgage interest and your three children.....you take those without complaining, right? despite your income level, right?). Maybe you should think more about the ways you invite the government into your own life EVERY DAY before you start accusing other people of things.

    Please back up your assertion above.
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