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    You are sure. This woman who fled to another state with a stolen baby in her womb. Again, you seem to know a lot about what this woman would have done, how people should feel, how this baby (who has massive brain problems) feels and thinks etc etc. You do see how ridiculous that is, right? Like, deep down on some honest level you know you are being silly? And you say "Still didn't want to take the baby home" ~ They COULDN"T take the baby home! It had been kidnapped and legally was now the surrogates baby! Her name was on the birth certificate! She had physical custody of the child and was arranging an adoption!

    This family had three other children at home, two with disabilities. You may judge them deeply for not wanting to bring home a severely disabled child who needed many surgeries and is going to die young. I don't. I see my family as an entire unit, and frankly I don't know that our family has the emotional resources available to take the time and attention away from our other three children and devoted the care and love and attention to such an ill and needy baby. You may judge parents for that, but I applaud their bravery, honesty, and foresight. At the end of the day of course, the judgement shouldn't matter ~ IT WAS THEIR BABY!!!!!! THEIR BABY! THey and only they should have 100% right to decide what happens with that baby. 100% of the time, without coercion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    IT WAS THEIR BABY!!!!!! THEIR BABY! THey and only they should have 100% right to decide what happens with that baby. 100% of the time, without coercion.
    And I will never agree that that decision should include killing their baby. She went out of state so they couldn't force her to have an abortion. Not to kidnap the baby. She also did it on her own dime, at personal sacrifice. I don't think I am being silly at all. I don't think a child should be killed because it is handicapped or inconvenient. From what I see the parents should be very satisfied with the arrangements. They don't have to care for the handicapped child they wanted dead, and still get to see her whenever they want. The baby is happy and living in a home with parents that love her and wanted her. Its a win win.
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    She should never have agreed to their terms in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    And I will never agree that that decision should include killing their baby. She went out of state so they couldn't force her to have an abortion. Not to kidnap the baby. She also did it on her own dime, at personal sacrifice. I don't think I am being silly at all. I don't think a child should be killed because it is handicapped or inconvenient. From what I see the parents should be very satisfied with the arrangements. They don't have to care for the handicapped child they wanted dead, and still get to see her whenever they want. The baby is happy and living in a home with parents that love her and wanted her. Its a win win.
    Why are you making up lies? This is America Gloria. They couldn't force her to have an abortion (though she did try to extort them remember!). She stole their baby, and then when it was born with way more devastating defects than she was expecting she gave it away to someone else. You continue to paint her as a hero but she's a villan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Why are you making up lies? This is America Gloria. They couldn't force her to have an abortion (though she did try to extort them remember!). She stole their baby, and then when it was born with way more devastating defects than she was expecting she gave it away to someone else. You continue to paint her as a hero but she's a villan.
    We have different definitions of hero I guess. I think she is a hero. She saved this little girl's life. She was already planning to give it away before it was born she had an adoptive family lined up, so the level of defects she was born with didn't matter. She not only didn't get the surrogate money from the contract she moved out of state at her own expense, so I'm not sure exactly what you think she gained from this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    We have different definitions of hero I guess. I think she is a hero. She saved this little girl's life. She was already planning to give it away before it was born she had an adoptive family lined up, so the level of defects she was born with didn't matter. She not only didn't get the surrogate money from the contract she moved out of state at her own expense, so I'm not sure exactly what you think she gained from this.
    For sure! I'd never call someone who broke their word and a contract, blackmailed, extorted the life of a child, and kidnapped a child a hero. Your lack of objectivity simply because abortion is involved is fascinating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    For sure! I'd never call someone who broke their word and a contract, blackmailed, extorted the life of a child, and kidnapped a child a hero. Your lack of objectivity simply because abortion is involved is fascinating.
    Yep, just as I would never take the side of parents who wanted to kill their child. Once they made that decision I don't think they have any right to decide what happens to it. That child is dead to them. So whatever she had to do to save the life of that child was justified IMO. And yes I do have lack of objectivity when we are talking about the life of an innocent child, and I have no reason to be ashamed of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Yep, just as I would never take the side of parents who wanted to kill their child. Once they made that decision I don't think they have any right to decide what happens to it. That child is dead to them. So whatever she had to do to save the life of that child was justified IMO. And yes I do have lack of objectivity when we are talking about the life of an innocent child, and I have no reason to be ashamed of that.

    Ah, well! If that is your logic your hero the surrogate ought to have had the child be dead to HER when she signed a contract saying that she would abort the child before she even became impregnated with it! OR again, the child should have been dead to her and she ought to have NO rights to make a decision about its life when she offered to kill it for $15,000, and the childs biological parents ought to have been able to then make the decisions of the child's life at that point.

    Tricky, eh? What of your hero now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Yep, just as I would never take the side of parents who wanted to kill their child. Once they made that decision I don't think they have any right to decide what happens to it. That child is dead to them. So whatever she had to do to save the life of that child was justified IMO. And yes I do have lack of objectivity when we are talking about the life of an innocent child, and I have no reason to be ashamed of that.
    I wish you would understand that this little girl will be dead to everyone in (probably) the not so distant future. It isn't as simple as you keep making it sound.

    At some point, the adoptive family will also have to let it go.

    What this woman did was wrong. She fled to a state that would give her rights to a child that isn't hers. This should not be allowed to happen.

    You will never convince me that you don't think the opposite to be true - if the surrogate wanted the abortion and the bio parents did not you would be all up in arms over it. Suddenly it would be reversed and the bio parents would be the ones afforded the decision (in your opinion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    We have different definitions of hero I guess. I think she is a hero. She saved this little girl's life. She was already planning to give it away before it was born she had an adoptive family lined up, so the level of defects she was born with didn't matter. She not only didn't get the surrogate money from the contract she moved out of state at her own expense, so I'm not sure exactly what you think she gained from this.
    She's not an "it." If your position is that her right to live a short life of surgeries etc. trumps all else, at least humanize her by using the proper pronoun.

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