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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    So you don't think that a woman could say she would abort on paper then change her mind when the actual child she would have to kill is alive and kicking inside her? And also from what I understand the wording in the contract it didn't specify exactly what serious defects or abnormalities meant so that was up for interpretation and they clearly disagreed about what that meant.
    Part of signing a contract means that you can not change your mind without consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Part of signing a contract means that you can not change your mind without consequences.
    She paid the consequences. She wasn't paid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    She paid the consequences. She wasn't paid.

    She stole a baby. I don't feel that appropriate consequences were paid and I hope that she faces legal action. I'm so glad that she will never be able work as a surrogate again due to the media attention this has drawn so she can never ruin another couples life or steal another child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    She stole a baby. I don't feel that appropriate consequences were paid and I hope that she faces legal action. I'm so glad that she will never be able work as a surrogate again due to the media attention this has drawn so she can never ruin another couples life or steal another child.
    Well everyone involved agreed on the outcome so however it came about everyone is happy now. I'm not sure what legal action they could take since she already wasn't paid. I'm sure no one would hire her as a surrogate unless they would never abort their baby. There are probably people that would hire her for that very reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Well everyone involved agreed on the outcome so however it came about everyone is happy now. I'm not sure what legal action they could take since she already wasn't paid. I'm sure no one would hire her as a surrogate unless they would never abort their baby. There are probably people that would hire her for that very reason.
    Again, your insistence on acting as though you know what people are thinking is bizarre. We have no idea how the bio parents feel, Gloria. We know that they wanted the child aborted, originally. Once that became impossible, they wanted custody. Once THAT became impossible, they wanted visitation. At every turn they were not driving the decisions, but making due with what scraps they could beg from the limited menu of choices the surrogates decisions were leaving them. Its grandiose of you to declare them "happy" with this outcome. Or to declare this child suffering through surgeries and going to die young and maybe in lots of pain "happy". Or to declare this surrogates children, who have had their lives uprooted and dragged all over creation and are now broke "happy". I mean, you are really making a lot of leaps in your little scenario of happy there, don'tcha think. Its like Forrest Gump is talkin Finding a surrogate who would not abort is easy. NO ONE in their right mind would hire a surrogate who has a history of kidnapping fetuses! Don't kid yourself. This woman has endangered her childrens well being as she obviously has little work skills ~ she was broke and had nothing to do but rent out her body according to the article ~ now she wont even have that. Shame on her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Again, your insistence on acting as though you know what people are thinking is bizarre. We have no idea how the bio parents feel, Gloria. We know that they wanted the child aborted, originally. Once that became impossible, they wanted custody. Once THAT became impossible, they wanted visitation. At every turn they were not driving the decisions, but making due with what scraps they could beg from the limited menu of choices the surrogates decisions were leaving them. Its grandiose of you to declare them "happy" with this outcome. Or to declare this child suffering through surgeries and going to die young and maybe in lots of pain "happy". Or to declare this surrogates children, who have had their lives uprooted and dragged all over creation and are now broke "happy". I mean, you are really making a lot of leaps in your little scenario of happy there, don'tcha think. Its like Forrest Gump is talkin Finding a surrogate who would not abort is easy. NO ONE in their right mind would hire a surrogate who has a history of kidnapping fetuses! Don't kid yourself. This woman has endangered her childrens well being as she obviously has little work skills ~ she was broke and had nothing to do but rent out her body according to the article ~ now she wont even have that. Shame on her.
    They wanted custody ONLY so they could award it to the state and put her in foster care. Show me where it states they wanted to take the baby home. It never once said that they wanted to take the baby. I guess maybe you are making a few assumptions yourself don't you think? The adoptive mother said the parents are happy with the outcome and have visited the baby. The baby is happy for sure. She is not a vegetable. You can rage against her all you want... I think it is a GREAT outcome.


    Her adoptive parents, who asked to remain anonymous to protect their family's privacy, know Baby S. might not be with them for long. The cardiac procedures she needs are risky, and her heterotaxy and holoprosencephaly, though mild, carry a risk of early death, according to doctors.

    If Baby S. does survive, there's a 50% chance she won't be able to walk, talk or use her hands normally.

    In some ways, Baby S. looks different from other 8-month-olds babies. In addition to the facial abnormalities, she's very small, weighing only 11 pounds and she gets food through a tube directly into her stomach so she'll grow faster.

    Her adoptive parents know some people look at her and see a baby born to suffer -- a baby whose suffering could have been prevented with an abortion.

    But that's not the way they see it. They see a little girl who's defied the odds, who constantly surprises her doctors with what she's able to do -- make eye contact, giggle at her siblings, grab toys, eye strangers warily.

    "S. wakes up every single morning with an infectious smile. She greets her world with a constant sense of enthusiasm," her mother said in an e-mail to CNN. "Ultimately, we hold onto a faith that in providing S. with love, opportunity, encouragement, she will be the one to show us what is possible for her life and what she is capable of achieving."
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    What ELSE is the adoptive mother going to say? I stole a couples child and they hate my guts? C'mon. If not being a vegetable is your only qualifier for happy you and I have grossly different ideas of what constitutes a great life. Having undergone two surgeries this year, been confined to bed/unable to walk for 8 weeks and then lived in chronic pain for the past 9 months I can't imagine what it is like to be a baby who can't even understand why she is in terrible pain/in and out of surgery/fed through a tube/etc. And read carefully. I never said they wanted to take the child. I said they wanted CUSTODY. Which is exactly, perfectly, correct. With that custody they wanted to turn her over to the state. That was their right and their decision to make if they wanted to. And please don't prescribe feelings to me that I don't have. I'm not raging about anything or anyone. Were this my child I would have had her, as I stated. We don't even test, for just this reason. I would not kill my child. I simply am not so rude as to tell other people what they should choose, and I loathe kidnapping. I also think that it is very cavalier of you to blithely assign feelings to people based on some article you read. You cannot possibly know enough to declare who is happy, and you are smart enough to know that Gloria, I know you are.
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    It doesn't matter one bit if the reason they wanted custody was to turn this child over to the state ...it is or was their child and they were the only people who should make that decision. Not the woman who was renting out her uterus to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    It doesn't matter one bit if the reason they wanted custody was to turn this child over to the state ...it is or was their child and they were the only people who should make that decision. Not the woman who was renting out her uterus to them.
    I agree. If I were planning on turning this child I'm carrying over to the state, would someone else have the right to come and steal him from the hospital nursery?
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    If someone was wanting to kill them.. then I say kidnapping is actually heroism
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