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    A man was shot by an officer in Dallas on Saturday. There as some that are saying that because the man was shot in the back, the shooting wasn't justified. The officer stated that the man had a gun in his waistband and struggled with him as he was trying to handcuff him, and he had to shoot him when he broke free and grabbed for his gun. What do you think?

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    On June 2, 2012 John Robert Husband, 02/12/1991, was observed by Dallas Police Officer Leland Limbaugh #10051 driving into the Spring Ridge Apartments at 3600 Folklore Trail without signaling his intent to turn. Two occupants were in the vehicle with suspect Husband. Officer Limbaugh conducted a traffic stop and as he approached, he smelled the odor of marijuana coming from the car. When asked if there were guns or weapons in the vehicle, suspect Husband replied there were not.

    Officer Limbaugh requested suspect Husband step out of the vehicle. It was the officer?s intent to pat down suspect Husband to check for weapons. As suspect Husband stepped out of the vehicle and was turning his back to the officer to be patted down, Officer Limbaugh observed the handle of a handgun in Husband?s waistband. Officer Limbaugh grabbed suspect Husband?s hands, attempted to place them behind his back and told Husband not to grab for the gun. Suspect Husband ignored the officer?s commands and began to struggle with the officer, eventually freeing his right hand and reached for the gun in his waistband. Officer Limbaugh, fearing for his life, fired one shot with his left hand that struck suspect Husband near the left shoulder blade. Suspect Husband staggered and fell to the ground and the officer then took the suspect?s weapon, a fully loaded .40 caliber handgun, and placed it on the hood of the police vehicle while waiting for backup officers to arrive. When the backup officers arrived, the two additional occupants of the suspect vehicle were removed and suspect Husband was handcuffed.

    Suspect Husband was transported to Methodist Hospital where he was pronounced deceased. The handgun he had in his possession had been reported lost to the Plano Police Department. Marijuana was recovered from suspect Husband?s person. The additional occupants of the vehicle are identified as Xavier Bryant 09/27/1989 and Derrick Epps 12/07/1985. They were interviewed by detectives and released. Officer Limbaugh?s car was not equipped with a video camera. Approximately 92% of all patrol vehicles are equipped with dash cameras. Officer Limbaugh is currently on special assignment.

    The Dallas Police Department Special Investigations Unit is responsible for investigating officer involved shootings. They have already interviewed witnesses to the incident, as well as the involved parties. They will also interview any additional witnesses, review physical evidence and results from the Medical Examiner in order to develop findings for the District Attorney to present to a Dallas County Grand Jury. This process is observed in all cases of police officer involved shootings to allow for the impartial arbitration of facts. Any eyewitnesses to the incident are encouraged to call the Special Investigations Unit at (214) 671-3664.
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    http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/dalla...156926795.html
    http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Chief...157610565.html
    http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Anger...157061215.html
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    I'd like to hear a statement from the other witnesses before deciding.

    Shooting someone in the back is hard to understand, but I also get that these are intense situations and that, according to the officer, the suspect lied about weapons and drugs.

    That said, this guy was killed bc he failed to turn on his turn signal. Yikes. I wish that the officer had tazed him or something instead of killing him.....
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    The chief said two men who had been in the car with Husband when it was pulled over have signed sworn statements collaborating what the officer said. Independent witnesses have also affirmed the officer's account.

    But none of the witnesses who claimed in television interviews that Husband was shot while running away have come forward to sign sworn statements, and Chief Brown is publicly requesting they come forward.
    It is easy to say he should have tazed him, not so easy to do when you are in a life or death situation. This guy could have shot him as soon as he got his hands on the gun, whether his back was turned or not. I think this guy had plenty of opportunity to do the right thing and didn't do it. He lied about having a gun, then struggled with an officer when he had a weapon. He may not have deserved to die for drug or weapons charges but I think it is his own fault he died.
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    Most officers do not carry tasers, and you cant taze someone if you are struggling with them, or at all in contact with them, which this sounds like it was. This guy was shot during a struggle, and that can sometimes make the angles seem odd (like if the officer could get his gun out, but was so close to the guy that the only way to aim it at him was to bring it around behind his back. I too would like to hear more witness accounts of what happened, but I can for sure see how it could have. There was one in Alberta years ago where a guy was shot in the back of the head, in cells, that ended up being ruled justified, because it was during a struggle, and so the angles were not what you would expect them to be.

    Oh, and this guy was not shot for failing to signal. He was shot for trying to pull a weapon on a police officer.
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    You have to be a certain distance away from the person when Tazing them. That means the officer would have had to let go of him and back up a few steps, which would have given the suspect the chance to grab his own firearm and shoot at the officer. I wonder if this officer is left-handed or right-handed, because the report specifies that he shot the suspect with his left hand. If he was holding the suspect with his dominant, and probably stronger, arm and had to reach for his gun with his less-dominant hand, I can see how maybe he ended up shooting the guy in a way he maybe didn't intend. He might have tried to aim for the arm or shoulder, which would likely incapacitate the suspect enough to cuff him, and didn't intend to kill him, kwim? Either way, under the circumstances, I think it's absolutely a justified killing.
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    The guy had a loaded gun and there was a scuffle. I think based on that alone, the officer had reason to fire.

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    Based on what is presented I don't fault the officer at all. If the suspect hadn't struggled and lied he would be alive today.
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    I can see how the guy could be shot in the back while wrestling and reaching for a gun. There is a giant difference between a person being shot while fleeing with back completely turned and a person being shot during a struggle. In fact it was a struggle where the suspect denied having a weapon (and drugs), failed to cooperate, resisted arrest, physically fought with an officer, etc.

    And, he was not shot for failure to use a turn signal etc for goodness sake. He died because of his own escalation of the situation and putting others and an officer's life in danger. If facts are as they seem at this point, justified to me.

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