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    I think purposely keeping yourself 'out of the system' has to naturally come with sacrifices.

    I have a coworker that won't use the grocery store advantage program because you have to provide your license in order to use it.

    Fine don't use it, and the sacrifice in return is that you don't get the savings that other people do.

    If you don't want to be fingerprinted, then i think its fair for people to have to accept that they cannot have jobs where working with children in a fairly intimate manner is going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I have heard of people wanting to live completely off the grid, but you would need to not have a job and only use cash. Having a job (Any kind of job) is going to make there be a record of you. Even my girls foot prints were taken by the hospital at birth. I do not think it is realistic for someone to think it would be possible to live their entire life without record of himself.
    No, but fingerprints, like DNA are unique to the person. I am not talking about living off the grid, but keeping your body completely yours......Im not explaining this very well........a fingerprint is taken as confirmation that a person was at a certain place. If your fingerprints are in a database and can be accessed by others, then it is conceivable that it could be faked, and then in no longer your own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    No, but fingerprints, like DNA are unique to the person. I am not talking about living off the grid, but keeping your body completely yours......Im not explaining this very well........a fingerprint is taken as confirmation that a person was at a certain place. If your fingerprints are in a database and can be accessed by others, then it is conceivable that it could be faked, and then in no longer your own.
    That is a bit of paranoia don't you think? This database isn't accessible by everyone...the likelihood of your identity being stolen this way is pretty unlikely.

    ETA: I never stated my opinion on the OT....I'm cool with it.

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    [QUOTE=Potter75;9040186]
    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    Longshot. Assuming inside job in the system or something?!?! I doubt it.
    Are you kidding? All they asked for was a drivers licence to take your prints. How is that different then asking for a drivers license to confirm identity for a background check? How is it good enough in one instance, but no another?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I think purposely keeping yourself 'out of the system' has to naturally come with sacrifices.

    I have a coworker that won't use the grocery store advantage program because you have to provide your license in order to use it.

    Fine don't use it, and the sacrifice in return is that you don't get the savings that other people do.

    If you don't want to be fingerprinted, then i think its fair for people to have to accept that they cannot have jobs where working with children in a fairly intimate manner is going to happen.
    If you could show me how requiring a vetran teacher to give there fingerprints does this I would agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    That is a bit of paranoia don't you think? This database isn't accessible by everyone...the likelihood of your identity being stolen this way is pretty unlikely.

    ETA: I never stated my opinion on the OT....I'm cool with it.
    I agree that it is slightly paranoid. Look at it the other way though. What if your identity has already been stolen, and this person now has there fingerprints on file as you? I just dont get why we NEED to have everyones fingerprints on file.
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    [QUOTE=ftmom;9040193]
    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post

    Are you kidding? All they asked for was a drivers licence to take your prints. How is that different then asking for a drivers license to confirm identity for a background check? How is it good enough in one instance, but no another?

    I honestly don't understand what you mean?

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    [QUOTE=Potter75;9040199]
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    I honestly don't understand what you mean?
    Sorry, I was nursing a baby and trying to type as few words as possible. If I can go in and show my drivers license as proof of who I am to get my fingerprints done, then how are my fingerprints any more proof of who I am then my drivers license is? So therefore showing my drivers license should prove just as much as getting my fingerprints does.
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    [QUOTE=ftmom;9040202]
    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post

    Sorry, I was nursing a baby and trying to type as few words as possible. If I can go in and show my drivers license as proof of who I am to get my fingerprints done, then how are my fingerprints any more proof of who I am then my drivers license is? So therefore showing my drivers license should prove just as much as getting my fingerprints does.
    i still really don't get it. You can produce a fake ID and fool a police officer, I guess. But your fingerprint is attached to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I think that it should be an obvious for teachers or daycare workers or anyone in a position of authority who has the potential to have alone time with a student ~ I'm actually surprised that that isn't a mandate there already, it is here.

    I have to be honest and say that I would be annoyed if I had to be fingerprinted and background checked and pay for it to volunteer in my childrens school ~ and say that it having parents have to do so would not give me an increased sense of safety. In fact, it would make me upset because I would think that it would decrease parent/grandparent participation in the school. For instance, for my sons birthday I have my Dad set up to be a "mystery reader" in my sons classroom as a surprise for my son. He would have to be fingerprinted and background checked to go to the school and volunteer? No way! So annoying and invasive! there are 475 kids his elementary school and we have a 70% parental participation rate in the PTO, and that doesn't even count the number of occasional volunteers like my Dad or other grandparents/aunts/uncles who pop in for occasional visits/participation. I would think that that number would go WAY down if people had to be vetted and fingerprinted, and that would be a huge loss for the kids. I don't think that that sort of thing provides any additional safety for the kids, when these volunteers are never alone with the kids and are not really a threat to be in a "predatory" role.
    I 100% agree with this. I don't have any problem with teachers and bus drivers getting finger printed and submitting for background checks. I don't know about bus drivers, but I know that teachers in CO already have to do this, and I think it's perfectly reasonable. I had to be finger printed and submit to a background check myself in my own industry because I have access to a ton of financial information for different companies and they don't want to hire a known thief or fraudster - again, perfectly reasonable given my position.

    However, I think it's going a little overboard to do this to all parent volunteers as well. I mean, if a parent was a known sex offender, would they even have access to their OWN children? And how likely is it that someone who volunteers for an afternoon as a "room mom" or "guest reader" would even be alone with the kids for any length of time to be able to abuse them? I don't know, it just seems excessive to me, and seems like it would discourage parent participation which seems like a real shame.

    Also, I agree with Kim that if you choose to "live off the grid" for lack of a better term, you have to accept that will come with sacrifices. If you don't want your finger prints on file, that means that you probably can't be a teacher or work in the financial industry - and I think most of us agree that is a good thing. People don't want a known thief to have access to their credit card numbers and bank accounts, or a known sex offender to have access to their children. It's a reasonable expectation. If you have a problem with that, then you have to accept that you'll need to find other employment opportunities. Same way I feel about nurses who won't get the flu shot. I put up with being finger printed and back ground checked so I can work in my industry, you put up with getting a flu shot so you can work in yours!
    -Alissa, mom to Tristan (5) and Reid (the baby!)

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