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    GRRRRRR! I am so mad! This is the third time I have tried to post this. I keep doing a nice little summary, and then my screen goes blank. So oh well, you guys can read the articles for yourselves.

    First part of the story:

    Charity president unhappy about Paul Ryan soup kitchen ‘photo op’

    Second part of the story:

    Soup Kitchen In Paul Ryan Photo-Op Faces Donor Backlash

    Okay, debate questions:

    1. Do you think it was wrong of the Ryan clan to come in to a soup kitchen as a kind of campaign stop without going through the proper channels to get permission?
    2. Once there, and finding that all of the work was already done, was it wrong of them to rewash some clean dishes for a photo op?
    3. Do you think that the president of the charity has a valid point in protesting that the charity would not have allowed this as they cannot afford to appear to support one political candidate over another?
    4. On the other hand, do you think it was right of the charity president to tell the media that Ryan family didn't do anything and just washed a couple of clean dishes for a photo op?
    5. Do you think he (the charity president) has a political agenda himself since he typically votes Democratic?
    6. Now that the charity president came out in protest of Paul Ryan's visit, do you think that people are right to withdraw their donations in solidarity?
    7. Do you think it hurts the charity president or those that are in need of the charity's services more if their donations drop?

    That's all I can think of - there are so many points to this whole story! LOL

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    When I think of someone doing an unselfish deed, I think of that person doing it when they think no one's looking.

    I basically answer 'for shame' to the whole thing. Shame shame shame on Ryan.

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    Yay! It worked this time! Whenever I'm posting a new topic, I always copy what I wrote JIC that happens because, sadly, it seems to be happening a lot.

    1. Yes.
    2. Yes.
    3. Yes. As I said at length on another debate, appearing to favor one candidate over another jeopardizes the charity's 501(c)3 status.
    4. I don't think it was wrong. He was told that was what happened, he was simply relating it to the media. If he'd been told that Ryan had peed on the kitchen floor or that Ryan had sent all the workers out to lunch while he himself single-handedly did all the dirty dishes, he wouldn't have been wrong to relate those things, either.
    5. We don't know how he votes. Yes, he's been registered as a Democrat for many years, but he identified himself as an independent voter which indicates to me that he's not a die-hard Dem.
    6. & 7. I really don't understand this one bit. If you really support the work this charity is doing, why would you even consider withdrawing your support because a volunteer opened the door to the VP candidate? You aren't hurting the person who made the decision or the top brass who said they wouldn't have let Ryan in, you're hurting the poor people that you're supposed to be serving. If you can't stand Ryan, the charity didn't do anything wrong, and to punish it by withdrawing your support is stupid. If you love Ryan, then appreciate that your charity's top brass is concerned about maintaining its 501(c)3 status. Win-win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    6. & 7. I really don't understand this one bit. If you really support the work this charity is doing, why would you even consider withdrawing your support because a volunteer opened the door to the VP candidate? You aren't hurting the person who made the decision or the top brass who said they wouldn't have let Ryan in, you're hurting the poor people that you're supposed to be serving. If you can't stand Ryan, the charity didn't do anything wrong, and to punish it by withdrawing your support is stupid. If you love Ryan, then appreciate that your charity's top brass is concerned about maintaining its 501(c)3 status. Win-win.
    I think from the article that they are withdrawing their donations because the charity president "badmouthed" Paul Ryan, not because they let Paul Ryan in. I think that because of comments like "Shame on you Brian Antal." Brian Antal is the charity president, and as far as I know his only role in this was to protest after the fact.
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    1) Yes
    2) Yes
    3) Yes, very valid
    4) Yes.
    5) No
    6) Yes, the soup kitchen is apolitical
    7) How would it hurt the charity president? It hurts the people who are in need of their services. Thats the whole reason why the charity president said he doesn't let any political parties come and do a "photo op" . I'd be pissed too because now those people who really need the help aren't going to get it. If they don't get the donations and they don't have food, what happens? Common sense says they would have to turn away people and thats not right at all. It takes some people ALOT of pride to accept help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I think from the article that they are withdrawing their donations because the charity president "badmouthed" Paul Ryan, not because they let Paul Ryan in. I think that because of comments like "Shame on you Brian Antal." Brian Antal is the charity president, and as far as I know his only role in this was to protest after the fact.
    He didn't badmouth Paul Ryan. He related information that was given to him by volunteers who were there because people asked what happened. If it turned out that Paul Ryan actually did some dishes, great, but I can't see why people are upset with this guy. And he was absolutely right to protest this when he found out about it. See my response to #3 above for why.
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    I think this guy is acting like a spoiled brat. Publicity is good for any charity, instead of trying to work it for the good it could do he is letting his own political opinions get in the way. I don't think a charity should turn down ANYONE that wants to help out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    He didn't badmouth Paul Ryan. He related information that was given to him by volunteers who were there because people asked what happened. If it turned out that Paul Ryan actually did some dishes, great, but I can't see why people are upset with this guy. And he was absolutely right to protest this when he found out about it. See my response to #3 above for why.

    I agree with you, I'm just saying that I think it is Paul Ryan's supporters that have withdrawn their donations, not Paul Ryan's opposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I think this guy is acting like a spoiled brat. Publicity is good for any charity, instead of trying to work it for the good it could do he is letting his own political opinions get in the way. I don't think a charity should turn down ANYONE that wants to help out.
    Gloria, I disagree. I think that it is a fair point that the charity can't afford to be seen as supporting one candidate over another. People get nuts over politics (witness people boycotting a pizza parlour because the owner hugged the President.) I think it would have been one thing if Paul Ryan and his family had just shown up to volunteer as individuals sans cameras, but the fact that they brought their camera crew makes it clear that this was done for the benefit of the campaign, and I don't blame the president of the charity at all for not wanting his charity to be a part of anyone's campaign.

    Also, I don't think that washing a few clean dishes while his camera crew snaps pictures counts as "helping out."
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I think this guy is acting like a spoiled brat. Publicity is good for any charity, instead of trying to work it for the good it could do he is letting his own political opinions get in the way. I don't think a charity should turn down ANYONE that wants to help out.

    How exactly did they help out??

    They showed up after everyone was already fed, dishes were already washed and things already straightened and did a photo op of him rewashing already washed dishes.

    Really? Thats helping out? Good to know, I've volunteered at a soup kitchen before and damn i'm missing out cause i never got off that easy by rewashing clean dishes.

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