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    Did the school do the right thing in suspending this student?

    A Texas family is appealing their son's suspension after he brought a can of beer to school.

    Christi Seale said her 17-year-old son Chaz was running late Monday and accidentally grabbed a beer instead of a soda to pack in his lunch.

    When Chaz realized his mistake, Seale said he immediately gave it to a teacher at Livingston High School, about 90 minutes north of Houston.

    But the school didn't buy the story. The teacher called the principal and Chaz was suspended for three days. He will also have to attend an alternative school for two months.

    "I think it's not black and white. There has to be a gray area. You can't punish a kid for doing the right thing. It's the same punishment you would give a kids that you catch doing the wrong thing," Seale said.

    Chaz said he thought turning in the beer was the right thing to do. The Livingston school district is standing by the principal and the teacher and told the family it could find an appeal form online.

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    I think there are a lot of schools that have a zero tolerance for alcohol on school property. There would be no way to know that it was truly and accident (doubtful). I think it is a fair punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I think there are a lot of schools that have a zero tolerance for alcohol on school property. There would be no way to know that it was truly and accident (doubtful). I think it is a fair punishment.
    So guilty until proven innocent is your stance.

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    I think this was a terrible reaction. He could have just hidden it in his backpack for the rest of the day and probably gotten away with it, but since he did the right thing he is being punished. It's not like they caught him with it, he turned it in voluntarily. What possible reason would he have had to do that if it wasn't an accident?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    So guilty until proven innocent is your stance.
    Is it not proven that he had alcohol in school? Are they unsure if it was him or not, or if it actually happened? If it was accidental or on purpose does not change if he had alcohol on school property. If as an adult I had an open bottle of beer in my car and I was pulled over would it matter if I said until I was blue in the face that it was not mine and that it was an accident that I had it in my car? Or would I still get a ticket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Is it not proven that he had alcohol in school? Are they unsure if it was him or not, or if it actually happened? If it was accidental or on purpose does not change if he had alcohol on school property. If as an adult I had an open bottle of beer in my car and I was pulled over would it matter if I said until I was blue in the face that it was not mine and that it was an accident that I had it in my car? Or would I still get a ticket?
    It wasn't really like that. He wasn't caught with it, he turned it in. It would be more like if you flagged down an officer that was driving by and gave him the open bottle of beer you had in the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Is it not proven that he had alcohol in school? Are they unsure if it was him or not, or if it actually happened? If it was accidental or on purpose does not change if he had alcohol on school property. If as an adult I had an open bottle of beer in my car and I was pulled over would it matter if I said until I was blue in the face that it was not mine and that it was an accident that I had it in my car? Or would I still get a ticket?
    I'd say it depends on the cop honestly. I've had cops pull me over and then not ticket me for things they could have.

    But now let me understand, earlier you said "They don't know if it really was an accident or not"

    but now you are saying it doesn't actually matter if its an accident or not.

    Which stance is the one you are actually using.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I'd say it depends on the cop honestly. I've had cops pull me over and then not ticket me for things they could have.

    But now let me understand, earlier you said "They don't know if it really was an accident or not"

    but now you are saying it doesn't actually matter if its an accident or not.

    Which stance is the one you are actually using.
    They are justified in suspending him one way or the other. If they truly felt it was an accident they could grant leniency, but would not be required to do so. I am coming at this from the perspective of some schools that I know of well. It would never be accepted for a student to have alcohol regardless of the circumstances. It would be an instant suspension. 3 days is generous. Different schools will have different levels of strictness on this, but I imagine most schools have rules against students having beer in school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    They are justified in suspending him one way or the other. If they truly felt it was an accident they could grant leniency, but would not be required to do so. I am coming at this from the perspective of some schools that I know of well. It would never be accepted for a student to have alcohol regardless of the circumstances. It would be an instant suspension. 3 days is generous. Different schools will have different levels of strictness on this, but I imagine most schools have rules against students having beer in school.
    Well for the sake of my own children, if they ever accidentally brought a beer to school and then chose to do the right thing by handing it over I certainly hope my school leans towards the rationally thinking and reasonable side and realizes that the child had nothing but good intentions.

    Sometimes people can't see the forest through the trees

    Also i find it interesting that here you would find it reasonable to play by the book no matter what but in the snowball debate, where the child intentionally hit a cop, you feel the punisment that is meant for the crime is 'too much'

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    I think the 3-day suspension is reasonable. He did bring a beer to school, which is in violation of the rules, and he needs to be accountable for that. However, I do think that two months at an alternative school is too harsh. As others have said, he voluntarily turned it over and I think he should get a bit of slack for that.
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