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    Should an adult transgender male be allowed to run around naked in a girl's locker room or is that taking a non-discrimination policy too far?

    A Washington college said their non-discrimination policy prevents them from stopping a transgender man from exposing himself to young girls inside a women?s locker room, according to a group of concerned parents.

    ?Little girls should not be exposed to naked men, period,? said David Hacker, senior legal counsel with the Alliance Defending Freedom. A group of concerned parents contacted the legal firm for help.

    Hacker said a 45-year-old male student, who dresses as a woman and goes by the name Colleen Francis, undressed and exposed his genitals on several occasions inside the woman?s locker room at Evergreen State College.

    Students from nearby Olympia High School as well as children at a local swimming club share locker rooms with the college.

    According to a police report, the mother of a 17-year-old girl complained after her daughter saw the transgender individual walking naked in the locker room. A female swim coach confronted the man sprawled out in a sauna exposing himself. She ordered him to leave and called police.

    The coach later apologized when she discovered the man was transgendered but explained there were girls using the facility as young as six years old who weren?t used to seeing male genitals.

    ?They?re uncomfortable with him being in there, her, being in there and are shocked by it,? parent Kristi Holterman told KIRO-TV.

    According to the police report, the local district attorney probably will not pursue charges because he said the ?criminal law is very vague in this area.?

    Francis told KIRO-TV that he was born a man but chose to live as a woman in 2009. Francis said he felt discriminated against after he was told told leave.

    ?This is not 1959 Alabama,? Francis told the television station. ?We don?t call police for drinking from the wrong water fountain.?

    Hacker and local parents are outraged over the college?s response to the incident.

    ?The idea that the college and the local district attorney will not act to protect young girls is appalling,? he said. ?What Americans are seeing here is the poisoned fruit of so-called ?non-discrimination? laws and policies.?

    Placing this man?s proclivities ahead of protecting little girls is beyond unacceptable, Hacker said.

    A spokesman for the college did not return calls seeking comment.

    Hacker said the college could be held liable for damages if any of the young girls is harmed by the transgendered individual.

    ?Clearly, allowing a person who is biologically a man to undress and expose himself to young girls places those girls at risk for emotional distress and harm,? he wrote in a letter to the college. ?Any reasonable person would view this as dangerous to the young girls involved. The fact that this individual was sitting in plain view of young girls changing into their swimsuits puts you and Evergreen on notice of possible future harm.?
    College Allows Transgender Man to Expose Himself to Young Girls | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes
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    He may be transgendered but he has not had sex reassignment surgery. The story says he exposed his genitals to young girls, women, etc. That would be completely unacceptable to me. I don't give a rats a$$ how you identify yourself. With your penis exposed I most definitely identify you as male, my children identify you as male and no way, no how will I also myself or my children to view a naked strange man, or for him to view us naked. Sorry, your identity does not trump my right or my children's right to not be viewed in any state of undress with strange penises nearby or be forced to have someone's strange penis exposed to us.
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    I don't care what he calls himself it sounds like to me like he is just a pervert trying to take advantage of the system so he can sit naked and watch little girls get dressed. If the law can't prevent that happening I think the law needs to be changed.
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    I don't care which gender you identify with, if your genitals are male, you use the men's change room. I think any rational person would agree that when you are of the opposite gender it's inappropriate to strip down and expose yourself to young girls. If he feels that he has a right to use the sauna, then what's wrong with clothes? Go put on a pair of swim trunks!
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    That is appalling.

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    I was curious for something other than a FOX news report. God knows they aren't very objective.

    Apparently it is a state law that
    According to state law, it requires equal access to state facilities regardless of gender identity.
    Also, I really don't like the way it was put that "HE" 'was exposing himself'. It seems far more like she (sorry, but if she wants to be referred to as a she, it's up to her to decide, we don't get to decide what she calls herself) was just using her normal rooms as an older college student and the students happened to see her than anything else. FAR less malicious than fox makes it sound. And they say 'young girls'... these were 17 year olds. That is not really what i would think of as a young girl.

    I wish i could say there was a good solution. But really, where should we stick her? In the middle of a bunch of men, even though she's been a woman for 3 years?


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    Quote Originally Posted by smsturner View Post
    I was curious for something other than a FOX news report. God knows they aren't very objective.

    Apparently it is a state law that

    Also, I really don't like the way it was put that "HE" 'was exposing himself'. It seems far more like she (sorry, but if she wants to be referred to as a she, it's up to her to decide, we don't get to decide what she calls herself) was just using her normal rooms as an older college student and the students happened to see her than anything else. FAR less malicious than fox makes it sound. And they say 'young girls'... these were 17 year olds. That is not really what i would think of as a young girl.

    I wish i could say there was a good solution. But really, where should we stick her? In the middle of a bunch of men, even though she's been a woman for 3 years?


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    Clear up some facts for me please. Did s/he have male genitilia? Did s/he expose him/her self to children? If so, s/he is a he and has no business exposing himself to little girls. I really do not think any non-parent adult should be exposing their genitilia to children regardless of what gender they are. I would not change my underwear in front of children that were not my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smsturner View Post
    (sorry, but if she wants to be referred to as a she, it's up to her to decide, we don't get to decide what she calls herself)
    We do not control what someone else calls themself, but we can call someone whatever we feel most comfortable calling them as long as it is not profane or defamatory. There is no law that says you have to call someone he or she.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smsturner View Post
    I was curious for something other than a FOX news report. God knows they aren't very objective.

    Apparently it is a state law that

    Also, I really don't like the way it was put that "HE" 'was exposing himself'. It seems far more like she (sorry, but if she wants to be referred to as a she, it's up to her to decide, we don't get to decide what she calls herself) was just using her normal rooms as an older college student and the students happened to see her than anything else. FAR less malicious than fox makes it sound. And they say 'young girls'... these were 17 year olds. That is not really what i would think of as a young girl.

    I wish i could say there was a good solution. But really, where should we stick her? In the middle of a bunch of men, even though she's been a woman for 3 years?


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    "She" should have put some damn shorts on if "she" didn't want to "expose himself" because "she" was actually not only in front of 17 year olds, but young children and it doesn't matter *AT ALL* how old the "young girls" were because they have the right to not see a penis in the locker rooms. His rights stop where theirs get intruded on. "She"' is obviously just being an *** because "she" said "the students need to be informed."

    Until "She" becomes a "she" then "she" needs to keep her damn clothes on in front of people. Otherwise we leave ourselves open to having perverts randomly saying they are "she's" so they can get into locker rooms with the opposite sex! Get the surgery or go to the bathroom that matches what is in your drawers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Clear up some facts for me please. Did s/he have male genitilia? Did s/he expose him/her self to children? If so, s/he is a he and has no business exposing himself to little girls. I really do not think any non-parent adult should be exposing their genitilia to children regardless of what gender they are. I would not change my underwear in front of children that were not my own.
    SHE does still have male parts. SHE changed in the room, and used the sauna, but didn't purposefully flash kids. 17 year olds are NOT little girls.

    And honestly, I agree with you, I don't think I'm happy with my kids seeing ANY adult naked. But this was a state college, and the teens were using the state college locker room where SHE is a student. It's a locker room. They are a swim team. They are bound to see other flesh when changing. And really, is a 17 year old girl changing out of swim suits and different looking than an adult changing in a swim suit?
    If there are parents that don't want their 17 year olds changing with adults, they shouldn't have them swimming in a state college pool. Pretty much everyone there will be over 18.
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