And the last part, that is crazy. That means that ANY person at all, could never ever be naked in a locker room with other people in it ever. Or they will all be criminially charged.
From past transgendered debates I can tell you that legally your gender does not change until you have your anatomy is changed. I would be VERY upset if a 45 year old man showed my girls his genitilia.
If an area is openly transgender with nudity of either gender, it should not be accessible to any minors.
I bet the college has a nice pool and the local clubs/organizations/schools use it and pay a fee to be able to do so. My tee tiny college did the same thing and our facilities didn't even boast a sauna.
Susan, Please Read the Articles.
Our pools have family changerooms. You go in there, don't be surprised to see some penises. Enter at own peril. Female locker rooms are for females. Not for men who identify as females. And all this talk about whether or not there were 6 year olds in the room....like, who cares about the age? Should it be more acceptable to an 18 year old?
Seriously with laws like this child molesters would move there by the groves for their visual et al playground. Since when should something like this be allowed? At most beaches except for known nude beaches, a certain amount of clothing is required. In public streets a certain amount of clothing is required. Locker rooms are not private. They are public but we do have some expectation that opposite genders will not be exposing himself. Even women should not be sitting in a sauna with their legs wide open like that. So that tells me something is not right with that person anyway.
Mama to 5 Honey Bunnies
I wouldn't feel comfortable having an exposed penis in the locker room while I'm changing myself or my children, no how the person in question identifies herself. Maybe it's mean of me, but I do think that if you KNOW that you are in a special circumstance that will make the people around you extremely uncomfortable (like having a penis in a women's locker room) the right thing to do is to at least be more discrete about it. The fact that she was just hanging out with her penis swinging in the breeze seems a bit excessive. I understand that maybe she would not feel comfortable changing in the men's room (because why? Because she foesn't want to be exposed to all of those naked penises??? Maybe she could remember that other women feel the same way.) but then I think an easy enough solution would be to change in a bathroom stall or something, rather than just being obnoxious and sitting around naked as you please where everyone can see her and get totally weirded out.
-Alissa, mom to Tristan (5) and Reid (the baby!)
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I honestly cant believe that this person was offended and surprised by this reaction. How is anyone supposed to know you are transgendered when you are naked? Honestly, If I walked into a womans change room and there was a man walking around naked, I wouldnt stop to ask him what gender he identified with, I would simply go complain and expect the staff to have him removed. She had to have known this would happen.
My biggest issue with this, isnt that this particular woman is in the womans locker room. If she had been more discreet it would not be an issue at all. My problem is that allowing someone with male genitalia to change in the locker room with young ladies and girls, is that it opens up for a pedophile to claim he is allowed in there because he is transgendered. There is no way to 'prove' what gender you identify with and while I dont believe that this guy dressed as a woman for 3 years just to go into the girls locker room, you open yourself to a situation where the staff is not able to differentiate between legitimate and bogus claims and this could put young people at risk.
Our pool has a family changing room where there are large stalls to change in in addition to the men and womans room. It is used by men, women and children. I dont believe asking a transgendered person to use a room like this is discrimination, as I think everyone's safety and rights are important. Not just the transgendered persons.
Mom to Arianna (5), Conner (3) and Trent (my baby)
Many places now have 'family' change rooms, and in fact our local university has officially made transgendered washrooms and change rooms, but honetly, that kind of construction and building modification is very time consuming and costly - not many places have extra money like that in their budget!
However yes, children use our university's pool because 1) they run day programs 2) swim teams practice there because the other pools in town are already fully scheduled, and 3) they have public swim times. So it doesn't matter that it's a 'college pool'. I was still a minor when I started college, and I have to say I would be very uncomfortable sharing a change room with someone who had the genitals of the opposite gender.
Personally I don't care what gender you are comfortable with, until you have the surgery, either use the family change rooms, or use the room that matches your genitals.
Also - does this open the door for pedophiles to now go into the women's change room at a public pool (so there would be many kids around, not just high school swim team members), and say they've "secretly" been transgendered and feel they're a woman, so therefore they should be allowed in a change room with young girls?
Yes she feels as though she is being discriminated against, however the rights of the people using the facility still have to be respected - they have a right to feel safe in a very vulnerable area.
And the solution, of making the swim team now use the smaller change room so she can have full access to the larger change room also seems a bit backwards to me....
Another thought I have on this is that locker rooms are not segregated based on sexual preference but are segregated solely on pieces and parts. So a gay person has to use the locker rooms with straight people and that to me is like a field day. I mean think about how young guys get so nutso over women's bodies. I cant see why a gay guy wouldnt feel that way about a guy, right (using guy only as an example). Anyway we dont segregate based in anything except parts with zero regard for what each person regards himself or desires for himself. So this is the way we view these things as a nation, which is logical to me, and therefore not discriminating against his parts because we segregate based on physical not mental. Yah it doesnt get to be ok because someone cries transgender or whatever without tangible proof, like a medical cert - for proof of a parts match.
Last edited by myyams; 11-02-2012 at 05:22 PM.
Mama to 5 Honey Bunnies