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    A Tennessee-based transgender woman says she went topless in the parking lot of a local DMV in an effort to fight for her rights.

    As WATE.com is reporting, Andrea Jones was arrested for indecent exposure after taking her shirt off after the Morristown Driver's License Office refused to change her sex from male to female on her driver's license.

    "If I was a male, I had the right to, when I stepped out the door, take off my shirt," Jones, who has had a partial sex change, explained. "It's not right for the state to ask me to be both male and female. A choice needs to be made. They cannot hold me to both standards."

    The police report referred to Jones as a man, The Advocate notes: "Mr. Jones continued to yell that he had the right to show his breasts in public,and wanted to be recognized as a female."

    Jones is not the only LGBT person to encounter driver's license trouble in recent weeks. Earlier this month, a Florida-based lesbian couple were rejected after applying to change their last names in Florida although they had proper documentation of their Connecticut marriage and Social Security cards bearing their names.
    Should she (or he) be held to a double standard and obey the rules of a male and female in society? What do you think?
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    I have to question what a 'partial' sex change means? I really have no idea. If she had a full sex change and now is fully female, then it should be changed, and she should be referred to as a female on all documentation, but its hard to say in this situation. The stats on a drivers license are used for identification purposes, so I am tempted to say that if she has breasts, a cop on the side of the road would see her as female and so that is how it should read, however, if her sex organs are still male, then if she was in a serious accident where unconsciousness or death was involved, she would probably be identified by medical personnel as male and if her license said female it would take longer to identify her and contact her family.

    I am almost tempted to say there needs to be a new licensing designation for people in this situation.
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    I'm also confused on the "partial sex change". I actually work with a woman who used to be a male. I know after her sex change she received papers from her surgeon saying that she underwent sex reassignment surgery and that was all she needed to change EVERYTHING to female. Including her birth certificate. So unless you have that paper, I think you have to go by what your birth certificate says. But I don't konw what the laws really are, that's just my thought on it.
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    I think that it should stay the same gender on the license until the full sex change is completed. I don't see this as any different than when a couple years ago they claimed a man to give birth. Well while he called himself a man and he looked like a man in a public setting, all the female organs were there to allow "him" to deliver. Had he done the full operation, he couldn't have done that. However, I do think they have a very valid point about the double standard in what is considered indecent exposure.

    As for the lesbian couple, there is no reason why the DMV refused to change their legal names. DMV has nothing to do with recognizing marriages - they're not the Recorder's Office. If they have a legal document (in this case a certified marriage certificate) and SSA accepted this, they should be changing the person's name. I doubt they would've rejected it if they went to the courthouse in CT to get married and showed the court document of the name change.
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    I think I am most curious that she was charged with indecent exposure as a male.

    If a male took his shirt off in public, they wouldn't be charged with indecent exposure, but a female would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elleon17 View Post
    I think I am most curious that she was charged with indecent exposure as a male.

    If a male took his shirt off in public, they wouldn't be charged with indecent exposure, but a female would.
    I've always been curious about this as well. Some man boobs are much larger than some women's. Why does our society find it acceptable for these men to publicly undress their shirts, yet women can not? Why does our society so heavily view women's breasts to be more sexual in nature?
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    Quote Originally Posted by elleon17 View Post
    I think I am most curious that she was charged with indecent exposure as a male.

    If a male took his shirt off in public, they wouldn't be charged with indecent exposure, but a female would.
    Most probably because the "partial" sex change includes either female hormone injections to "grow" larger breasts and/or breast implants in combination.

    I agree with the others who say the drivers license....just like the birth certificate....should not be changed until AFTER the totality (actual genital and reproductive changes) of gender reassignment has been completed. IMV, until then, it might be a good idea tho to place a "T" on their license where the M or F usually is for authorities.


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    I think that the method of protest is genius!

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    Until the fully surgery is complete, the DL should read the same as the birth cert.

    As for a double standard. I don't know. I think he is living a double standard and it is reasonable to expect him to follow societal rules for both genders while straddling the two.

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    Personally I always find these extreme methods/forms to fight for one's rights (in almost any gripe) as very immature, self centered, self absorbed, disrespectful and downright obnoxious. I can't find anything genious or wonderful in regards to the total disrespect and disregard of OTHER people's rights who were present at the MV that day or basically society in general.

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