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    I don't have traditional private insurance; I belong to an HMO.
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    I live and breathe this every single day. How they determine what a provider gets paid is very in depth and is already done with Medicare and private insurance bases their payments on Medicare rates as well. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid are already doing this and this is just a centralized panel.

    This panel also cannot do anything without running it through Congress. They are not playing God nor will they be able to do anything you think they will be able to do.

    Lillie~I don't quite get your example. You are saying you are getting the runaround for a lab test but someone else you know got a colonoscopy right away? To me, that sounds like inefficiencies at the office not about what Tricare is paying for the services.

    (As a side note...NHCR also is putting into place a program for increase quality so under this denying you a cheap service as preventive measure would be "against the rules" so to speak. They would get decrease in quality of care payments. We have this system at my company...works really well and is starting to decrease overall costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    OH, and I've never lived in Italy. I've never made any sacrifices for it and I don't know how it should be. I don't know (or give a ****) what their constitution says. I haven't learned way more than I ever want to know about in the last 9 years. So I'd rather start over in a place with ****ty healthcare and not waste my time doing something I used to think was for the greater good instead of for a bunch of really really stupid, whiny, assholes who can't think far enough ahead to waht they are doing to their children's futures by sticking their lazy grubby fat hands out and taking from those who are Allowed to MOVE OUT OF THE COUNTRY> Who can AFFORD to leave when the democrats have ****ed it up to the point where NO ONE WHO CAN Choose Stays here. When we are a ****ing second damn Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    but I'm pretty sure that most people who are declared to be terminal really do die soon.
    Just to speak to this - Earlier this year my uncle was told he had terminal cancer. That there was nothing they could do. All the family said their good byes. When I was in NY I went to see him and said my good byes. My family cleaned out his apartment and bought his funeral plot. A second opinion showed it was not cancer in his lungs but food that he had chocked on. He is fine and in a nursing home now with no plans to die any time soon.

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    I would think that is a clear example as to why 2nd opinions are important before making life decisions.

    I don't think anyone is suggesting here that if you are told your child has terminal cancer you go..okay pain meds/no food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post


    And Lisa, if your BFF's daughter had "the will to live," then she would NOT be a candidate for this pathway. You don't mention what her "terminal" illness was, but I'm pretty sure that most people who are declared to be terminal really do die soon.
    Her last time that she was close to death (about a 18mths ago) she had MRSA in her back after an 18 hour back surgery to correct a 90% curve in her spine. (she was born with severe cancer on her spine, but that is the beginning of a VERY long medical history) During that time in the hospital she was left with a 12in wide by 2 foot wide hole in her back with wound vacs on in and going into to clean it out every other day. She coded a number of times and the doctors told her parents on 4 separate nights she would not wake up in the morning. After 6weeks in the ICU she woke up one day and was out of the hospital in 2 more weeks. Every doctor that has ever dealt with her has said they are shocked she has lived this long. They are all stumped by her ability to overcome illnesses. Because she had a very experimental spine surgery 9 years ago her parents have been in contact with severely ill kids, the ones that are doing this surgery are on their very last option.
    My point is not so much that Madeline made it so other kids will, I know that is not the case. My point is more that sometimes the doctors are wrong, and withholding food and drinks is a long horrible way to die. I just cant support this. I support doctor assisted suicide, but that is over in a short time with the adult making that choice for them self. A long horrible death without permission is never going to be acceptable
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    Wow, that must be just so hard an awful for her parents to watch and to deal with constantly. What a tough deck she was dealt.

    Yes, sometimes doctors are wrong and everyone here so far I believe has said it should be up to parents and family members.

    If there was "Euthanasia" as you describe it but I believe in the UK that is illegal. When someone is not going to make it...food and drink just prolongs the inevitable. I know that sounds awful and I don't know if I could pick that for my children. Ever. and hopefully I never have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    You have just proved Lillie's point. Government run tricare is really inefficient compared to private insurance
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    I don't have traditional private insurance; I belong to an HMO.
    I had tricare for about 5 years. Never had any problems at all with anything. The level of care and concern was top-notch. We were also on MediCal for about 2 years or so. Again, no problems. I have a PPO now and my problems have been specific to the doctors themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    I had tricare for about 5 years. Never had any problems at all with anything. The level of care and concern was top-notch. We were also on MediCal for about 2 years or so. Again, no problems. I have a PPO now and my problems have been specific to the doctors themselves.
    That is surprising and might be regional. Around here we have almost no docs that take tricare. The closest military facility is over an hour away. All of my friends who have been here while their DHs have been deployed have had a nightmare of a time getting anything done medically
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    This being the Daily Mail, I have little doubt that the referenced incident probably didn't even happen. Anyone who is in severe pain, and especially those who are dying, should be given pain meds, and if they aren't then the doctors & nurses aren't doing their jobs.

    The resident or family can deny/refuse all pain med's. There isn't a damn thing the nurses can do if that happens. I've seen it happen. Also, even if they are getting pain med's, the nurses still have to follow whatever orders/restrictions (every some odd hrs) are in place, if they don't they risk their professional liscience and could do jail time.

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