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Uniforms or casual?

With school starting in the US this week and over here next week, I just wondered what your opinion was on the above? Would you have a preference of the two? If so, why? Does it not matter either way?

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I am not a fan of uniforms. I don't want to wear one and I don't want my kids to wear one. I'm glad they don't have to. They wear their own casual clothes and we are all happy with that.

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We love uniforms. I had them when I was little and I have them now. It makes life easier. This morning I asked my kid if he wanted a red shirt or a blue shirt. Took him less than 2 min to get himself dressed and 3 minutes total (I lost his belt). It is also very easy to shop for. I don't think it'll get much harder as he gets older either. So I can buy ahead knowing that it doesn't matter if he doesn't like it, because that's all he can wear. Win for the $ and for the time factor. Plus he still gets to choose his clothing at all other times. I Love Uniforms.

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I would love my kids to wear uniforms. Plus, it would eliminate my daughter's constant "I want to wear a dress, no capris, no a skirt, no not THAT skirt, I want my headband to match, you can see my underwear through this, I don't care if it's too cold for shorts......" thing that she has going on every.single.morning.

The local private school has really smart uniforms - white blouse/shirt, navy cardigan, green/blue plaid kilt or blue pants.

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My kids have uniforms, and I think they are great! They don't mind them either.

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My kids never had to wear uniforms until we moved 3 years ago and they are now in different schools. Now they all have to wear uniforms. I hate uniforms. The public school is not as bad because they just say you have to wear certain colored pants and shirts that you can purchase anywhere. The charter school requires you to buy specific brands and shirts and jackets with their logo only available at one store or online, even plain navy pants have to be a specific brand that is very expensive. It is ridiculous that they can't wear a red polo shirt, it has to be a red polo shirt with a huge embroidered logo on it.

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My kids get dressed on their own (as I said, no uniforms) and we have no issues. Occasionally there's a climate issue with my daughter, but I just tell her to change and I win. Honestly I hate the way it looks when all the kids are dressed the same, and I don't like the message it sends either, although I can see it being really helpful in certain areas across the country.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

My kids never had to wear uniforms until we moved 3 years ago and they are now in different schools. Now they all have to wear uniforms. I hate uniforms. The public school is not as bad because they just say you have to wear certain colored pants and shirts that you can purchase anywhere. The charter school requires you to buy specific brands and shirts and jackets with their logo only available at one store or online, even plain navy pants have to be a specific brand that is very expensive. It is ridiculous that they can't wear a red polo shirt, it has to be a red polo shirt with a huge embroidered logo on it.

One of my kids had to have his uniform from Lands End. I never pay much money for my kids' clothes but I had to for his uniform pants and they were $30 each. I didn't like that at all, but my other kid didn't have to have a particular brand. So I could shop around for the right color in the right price.

I feel like it doesn't really add much more if any to my budget because they also have to have something to wear to school. I usually only buy clothes when the season is finishing for the next year to wear because of the deep discounts of clearance and end of season sales. We take care of the uniforms as best as we can so they stay in good shape for the entire year. I don't feel like it's much of a hardship over the course of 10 months.

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

My kids get dressed on their own (as I said, no uniforms) and we have no issues. Occasionally there's a climate issue with my daughter, but I just tell her to change and I win. Honestly I hate the way it looks when all the kids are dressed the same, and I don't like the message it sends either, although I can see it being really helpful in certain areas across the country.

What message does it send for you? I guess I really never gave it much thought. I just thought uniforms looked smart and are relatively hassle free. But my mom always dressed me in pinafores and mary janes - not a big stretch from a school uniform anyway.

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"Claire'sMommy" wrote:

What message does it send for you? I guess I really never gave it much thought. I just thought uniforms looked smart and are relatively hassle free. But my mom always dressed me in pinafores and mary janes - not a big stretch from a school uniform anyway.

My kids' uniforms look actually really nice. My 4 y/o wears a light blue polo, navy blue pants, and white shoes, with a black belt. He looks so cute in it. My other son wears a hunter green polo with khaki pants, white shoes. They both look nice. There are some kids in their classes who receive financial aid to be able to attend the school. I think it may help them not feel they are dressed worse than the other kids. I like the idea and especially I like the regulation of girls' clothing. In my kids' schools you will NOT ever see skanky dressed girls or boys.

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"Claire'sMommy" wrote:

What message does it send for you? I guess I really never gave it much thought. I just thought uniforms looked smart and are relatively hassle free. But my mom always dressed me in pinafores and mary janes - not a big stretch from a school uniform anyway.

For me -- and I'm gearing up for lots of arguing against this -- it sends a message of uniformity, that the kids are all the same, that they're cogs in a great machine, etc. I've always been something of a happy outsider so it's not a message I like.

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

My kids get dressed on their own (as I said, no uniforms) and we have no issues. Occasionally there's a climate issue with my daughter, but I just tell her to change and I win. Honestly I hate the way it looks when all the kids are dressed the same, and I don't like the message it sends either, although I can see it being really helpful in certain areas across the country.

I agree with you. I never had a problem when my kids didn't have to wear uniforms. The schools they went to had a dress code but it was pretty simple, like you had to wear a belt and your shirt had to be tucked into your jeans. I hate my boys not being able to wear jeans to school. The only thing saving me now is Craigslist, I have been buying used uniforms on Craigslist because I can't stand to pay $25 for a polo shirt.

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Yeah, I think having standards is fine (although a belt feels sorta random, but whatever). I will definitely stop my son when he has jeans on that are ripped, and he knows not to wear his Bart Simpson shirt to school too....keep it respectful. But he lives in jeans and Star Wars t-shirts very happily. My daughter loves picking out her clothes for the day and when she's at home all day she changes several times. I love it in a way, she's just expressing herself creatively, I think it's fun. For school I'll have to keep an eye on the weather and make sure she's wearing things that fit -- and not her Rapunzel costume -- but otherwise I'm happy to have her wear what makes her happy. She obviously chooses her clothes with care.

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

For me -- and I'm gearing up for lots of arguing against this -- it sends a message of uniformity, that the kids are all the same, that they're cogs in a great machine, etc. I've always been something of a happy outsider so it's not a message I like.

I can't argue with that. It's a personal opinion. I only like them from the practical standpoint - quick and easy in the mornings, and the regular clothes stay cleaner and don't wear out as fast. Plus you save money from not having to buy clothes as often. Smile

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

Yeah, I think having standards is fine (although a belt feels sorta random, but whatever). I will definitely stop my son when he has jeans on that are ripped, and he knows not to wear his Bart Simpson shirt to school too....keep it respectful. But he lives in jeans and Star Wars t-shirts very happily. My daughter loves picking out her clothes for the day and when she's at home all day she changes several times. I love it in a way, she's just expressing herself creatively, I think it's fun. For school I'll have to keep an eye on the weather and make sure she's wearing things that fit -- and not her Rapunzel costume -- but otherwise I'm happy to have her wear what makes her happy. She obviously chooses her clothes with care.

Ooh, I just posted about this on fb. My daughter's the same - quite the diva in need of 5 'costume' changes after we get home from our day. But she never puts anything away. Yesterday we started her doing her own excess laundry. For every load of perfectly clean clothes she chucks on the floor she must wash, dry, fold and put away herself.

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"Claire'sMommy" wrote:

Ooh, I just posted about this on fb. My daughter's the same - quite the diva in need of 5 'costume' changes after we get home from our day. But she never puts anything away. Yesterday we started her doing her own excess laundry. For every load of perfectly clean clothes she chucks on the floor she must wash, dry, fold and put away herself.

That is very smart! Mine's a little to young to wash the stuff but I definitely need to enforce the putting away rule. We were on vacation and I had all of our stuff in one bag and she kept going into it and throwing everything all over the floor!

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

That is very smart! Mine's a little to young to wash the stuff but I definitely need to enforce the putting away rule. We were on vacation and I had all of our stuff in one bag and she kept going into it and throwing everything all over the floor!

I will have to watch DD closely however, since I think she might actually enjoy doing laundry and will throw even more clothes on the floor just so she can do more laundry. She has gotten upset with me for putting the fabric softener in and not letting her do it.

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When my daughter went to private school she wore a uniform. At least $40 an outfit. The first year, it was hard. After that I looked at all the thrift stores, talked to parents with older children and bought most of the uniforms used. It really did not end up being that expensive when I could buy them used. Buying new was crazy though. One nice thing about homeschooling is they can go dressed as Tinkerbell if they want. (I do make them get dressed every day though. It just helps get into the school mindset)

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My daughters all love to help with laundry as well (except folding). My oldest folds all of her own laundry and much of her sisters as well. It does cut down on the excess if they know they will have to do it.

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I'm just glad I don't have to buy my kids special clothes just for school. They just wear their regular stuff. Easy.

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For a twist, is there anyone who thinks that voting should be 100% free (even ID's), but thinks public schools should be able to require a uniform?

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ITA with everything freddieflouder said. Not a fan of uniforms, forced uniformity, or stifled creative expression. Big fan of free choice and having a sense of personal style. Tiven loves layering things and wearing unmatched socks. Yesterday she wore brown leggings, a brown dress printed with tiny yellow & pink flowers, a short-sleeved shirt with a glittery butterfly over the dress, one pink sock and one yellow sock. She was very cute. We have no arguments about what to wear, partly because I don't buy clothes I won't let her wear to school, and partly because I never make her change. If she wears shorts in the winter, I'll advise her to put some tights underneath, but otherwise I just toss a pair of pants into her backpack for when she comes to her senses. On P.E. day I remind her to wear running shoes, but if she doesn't, it's her problem if she can't run as fast as she wants. She also knows that if she takes too long getting ready in the morning, I'll just leave without her and then Papa has to get himself dressed & Weston dressed and walk her up to school and she'll be really late, and they both hate that with a passion so it's only happened once in three years.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

For a twist, is there anyone who thinks that voting should be 100% free (even ID's), but thinks public schools should be able to require a uniform?

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but in California, public schools that adopt a uniform policy must allow parents to opt out, and the school must provide the uniforms for free to any family that asks. The law used to say that any family that qualified for free lunch would qualify for a free uniform, but it was amended after legal challenge. California law says that any employer that requires a uniform must provide it for free, so it only makes sense that a school that would require a uniform should have to provide it, as well.

ETA: I looked at the law online and it *was* changed from the "free lunch" language but now it says "economically disadvantaged." However, I've been told by other parents at schools that do have a uniform that the school will provide it to anyone who asks because they can't legally ask you to document your financial status beyond the free lunch form.

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I never was a fan of uniforms until my oldest started wearing junior sizes. It is kind of hard to find clothes that are appropriate for our family goals. All the tops are fitted and the jeans are way to low cut, not a look we encourage. Plus the girls at her school (which is a private christian school) are looking way to old for 12 year olds. I would love to see them all in uniforms now

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"Spacers" wrote:

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but in California, public schools that adopt a uniform policy must allow parents to opt out, and the school must provide the uniforms for free to any family that asks. The law used to say that any family that qualified for free lunch would qualify for a free uniform, but it was amended after legal challenge. California law says that any employer that requires a uniform must provide it for free, so it only makes sense that a school that would require a uniform should have to provide it, as well.

ETA: I looked at the law online and it *was* changed from the "free lunch" language but now it says "economically disadvantaged." However, I've been told by other parents at schools that do have a uniform that the school will provide it to anyone who asks because they can't legally ask you to document your financial status beyond the free lunch form.

Interesting. I was wondering how a public schools could require a uniform that costs more than $40 each. Not all students could afford it. A private school, I can totally see.

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I agree with Laurie. I wouldn't have wanted to wear a uniform (still wouldn't) and I don't favor them for my child either.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

For a twist, is there anyone who thinks that voting should be 100% free (even ID's), but thinks public schools should be able to require a uniform?

I think it's ok to have length and other restrictions but requiring uniforms might be tough on some families. Some families shop at Goodwill or buy their clothes otherwise gently used. I think it would be tough on them, possibly. So no required uniform unless they are free. Kids can't control their situation and they shouldn't be in a situation where they are compromised.

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Uniforms are the norm here, I have never come across a school without them. I prefer them, in the mornings it's grab and go, no what to wear today debates, theres your uniform put it on. The shirts are a bit expensive and now the school require you to purchase the bottoms from them whereas back in my day it was make sure it's this colour and meets this criteria and you are good toi go.

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I wouldn't mind if my kids had to wear uniforms. It would make things easier. One of the public school around here has a dress code... Navy pants with a white, red, or blue polo shirt or blouse (no graphics)... I would totally be on board with something like that.

I detest how girls dress these days. The super short shorts, bra straps showing, bellies showing over the ultra low cut jeans. They should all wear uniforms.

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"kris_w" wrote:

I wouldn't mind if my kids had to wear uniforms. It would make things easier. One of the public school around here has a dress code... Navy pants with a white, red, or blue polo shirt or blouse (no graphics)... I would totally be on board with something like that.

I detest how girls dress these days. The super short shorts, bra straps showing, bellies showing over the ultra low cut jeans. They should all wear uniforms.

I 100% agree I think uniforms should be mandatory in middle and hogh school with the way most females and males dress. Elementary School not so much. Hunter does not have to wear a uniform bu tthey did for the past several years. They just did away with them this year. I would have liked the uniforms.

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"CandyinVB" wrote:

I 100% agree I think uniforms should be mandatory in middle and hogh school with the way most females and males dress. Elementary School not so much. Hunter does not have to wear a uniform bu tthey did for the past several years. They just did away with them this year. I would have liked the uniforms.

You can have a dress code without uniforms. Its really not that hard.

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True but half won't follow it and instead of all that trouble if they wear a uniform they don't have to worry about it.When I went to high school they had a dress code too but it was a joke.

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"kris_w" wrote:

I detest how girls dress these days. The super short shorts, bra straps showing, bellies showing over the ultra low cut jeans. They should all wear uniforms.

See, I disagree with this. If you don't want your daughter wearing short shorts and bra straps hanging out, don't buy it for her, and don't let her out of the house dressed that way. But why should my kid have to wear the exact same clothes as everyone else (again, something I would personally hate) just because someone else doesn't want their daughter to dress a certain way, but apparently also wants the school to be the "bad guy" and mandate it?

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

See, I disagree with this. If you don't want your daughter wearing short shorts and bra straps hanging out, don't buy it for her, and don't let her out of the house dressed that way. But why should my kid have to wear the exact same clothes as everyone else (again, something I would personally hate) just because someone else doesn't want their daughter to dress a certain way, but apparently also wants the school to be the "bad guy" and mandate it?

I agree completely. I do agree that there is a problem with girls' fashion and the styles that are available (to the exclusion of others), but the answer isn't to make everybody wear the same thing. And you can have a dress code at school that gets enforced, too, it's all about how the school handles it. If you make it a problem for the parents when the kids come dressed inappropriately, the parents will take care of it.

But yeah, if you have issues with the way your kid is dressing, it's not the school's job to address it. And if you have a problem with the way other people's kids are dressing, then you're out of luck, but the answer isn't to make ALL the kids dress the same. I just hate that.

I mean, I see all kinds of horrible outfits all day long, but I don't think adults should have to wear uniforms just to spare me their poor taste.

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For the anti uniform...I see what point you're trying to make but I don't think it is necessarily true. When I was in Catholic school we wore uniforms and to this day I didn't feel like I wasn't an individual. We just wore the same dresses/sweater/pants etc. Your own shoes (school colors) and you could do your hair/jewelry as you wanted. It was so easy in the morning even when I was a kid. Then I went to public school and I hated having to pick out an outfit and not being as cool as someone else. It was awful.

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We do have a strict code of what our girls will wear, but the older DD1 gets the more I find it hard to buy stuff that fits her body and our standards. The shorts this year were either so short her butt litteraly hung out or they were all the way to her knees. We finally found some stuff but I imagine when she moves into junior sizes we will be struggling more

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My kids have uniforms and I am a convert. I would not have agreed with uniforms in school, but I would have been the ideal candidate. I was sort of an outsider, flitting between one group and the next. I wouldn't have had to change my clothes based on who I was hanging out with at the time.

I spend much much less on my kids' clothes when they have a uniform. Yes, they are expensive, and yes, it's about $40 for a blazer/polo/shorts or skirt set. But the quality is much better, we use them for about 3 years each. We save time in the mornings, and I actually made money this year because I overbought Gymbo stuff last year on sale and then sold it new for about twice the price. Thanks!

As my kids get older and the streetwear available becomes more and more unattractive, I am more thankful for uniforms.

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I do think there's a huge problem with so much of what's available for girls. Separate issue, and I don't think uniforms are the answer, but I hear it all the time from parents with girls and I totally agree that it's terrible.

But I grew up without uniforms and sure I had some insecurities but I'm still glad I never had to wear a uniform. All those issues will still come up outside of school, after school, into teenagerhood, etc. I think it's really hard to avoid the issues of trying to feel cool or be as cool as others no matter what people are wearing.

It's just not for me, and I'm very happy it's not for my kids either. We don't want 'em!

But I'm hoping the clothing styles improve before Juliet gets to that age.

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Hi, I'm a lurker on the debate board, hope you don't mind me posting.

Just wanted to comment that the public school I went to had a dress code but not uniforms. If a child showed up to school violating the dress code they got one warning. The next time the parent was called and the student had to leave school for the day. It was a simple and effective policy. Never heard of a student that ever was sent home more than once.

My employer also does the same thing - send an employee home if their clothing is inappropriate to the work place. I've seen one person sent home for baring too much skin (everyone was in horror over her outfit it was so bad).

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

But I grew up without uniforms and sure I had some insecurities but I'm still glad I never had to wear a uniform. All those issues will still come up outside of school, after school, into teenagerhood, etc. I think it's really hard to avoid the issues of trying to feel cool or be as cool as others no matter what people are wearing.

I agree with this. I almost think that uniforms reinforce the idea that we all have to be the same or else it's not fair, someone is more cool, et cetera. But the truth is that life isn't like that, and you have to learn to deal with it. As an adult, your neighbor may drive a cooler car, your cousin may have a bigger house, your best friend may have the job you wish you had. The solution isn't to make sure that everyone drives the same car, and has the same house, et cetera. We have to learn to appreciate what we have, and not worry so much about what other people have. I think allowing diversity actually helps us practice that.

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I was going to add that street clothes can cause issues for parents. The school my DH teaches at is a very low socio economic school, the girls wear the same clothes all the time. A couple years ago one of the male teachers sent a girl to the office for way to short of shorts, when she got there she told the principal that the teacher was staring at her butt. Now all the male teachers have to find a female teacher and have her approach the girl and then send her to the female admin assistant. Not sure it would ever happen again, but they had to put in safeguards to protect themselves. It is really a struggle for them, they know these kids have very limited wardrobes and when their parents to buy stuff that is inappropriate for school they feel bad for the kids

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"mom3girls" wrote:

I was going to add that street clothes can cause issues for parents. The school my DH teaches at is a very low socio economic school, the girls wear the same clothes all the time. A couple years ago one of the male teachers sent a girl to the office for way to short of shorts, when she got there she told the principal that the teacher was staring at her butt. Now all the male teachers have to find a female teacher and have her approach the girl and then send her to the female admin assistant. Not sure it would ever happen again, but they had to put in safeguards to protect themselves. It is really a struggle for them, they know these kids have very limited wardrobes and when their parents to buy stuff that is inappropriate for school they feel bad for the kids

I do think there are schools where uniforms are a positive thing. A friend of ours teaches at a low-income school in the Bronx and he says that the uniforms are really helpful in terms of creating a more focused school environment and making the kids really get that this is their education and it's important. Most of their parents don't have much education and the goal is to get this generation to the next level. The uniforms absolutely equalize the economic divides and help a lot with the kids' (and parents'!) attitudes about school and its importance to their future.

They offer financial help for the uniforms too.

One lovely thing our friend does is that every year on his own birthday, he buys a uniform for one of the lowest-income students. He always has to talk the parents into it and make them feel good about it, but he does. He's a wonderful, gentle soul and he explains that it's his tradition and it means a great deal to him to do it.

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Uniform is more ok for me they should learn which are the proper rules.
I lived in Italy and the schools are not a good think.
An Italian friend of mine went arguing with a teacher because of a bad note to the kid...so think of

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I love uniforms and wanted to wear them since I was in elementary school. I even wrote speeches and essays in middle/high school as to why I was for uniforms... I think we even debated too! All the people I have spoken to about their uniforms liked wearing them. In Turkey, it's the norm for both public and private schools. I was always jealous.

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My girls attend a charter school and their uniforms must be purchased from a specific company. They are a little pricey, according to my standards, but I will admit that they are good quality. Alana is on her 3rd year with the same set and they still look fine. I'm fine with the uniform policy and I don't feel that it inhibits their uniqueness in any way. A person's personality is so much more than their outward appearance and clothes they choose to wear. Besides, the purpose of school is to educate - not a venue to stand out and be "an individual." There is plenty of time for that after school and on the weekends.

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I disagree about school not being the place to be an individual. I went to public school my whole life, and thrived in it, and much of that was very much due to the fact that I was a unique individual, did things differently, pursued things on my own, etc. Teachers responded to me because of it, and I did well because of it.

At work my individuality is also what makes me good at my job.

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

I disagree about school not being the place to be an individual. I went to public school my whole life, and thrived in it, and much of that was very much due to the fact that I was a unique individual, did things differently, pursued things on my own, etc. Teachers responded to me because of it, and I did well because of it.

At work my individuality is also what makes me good at my job.

My girls are unique individuals too. Even wearing uniforms. Clothes don't make them who they are and I think that's an important lesson that I'm thrilled to teach my children. They can be who they desire to be, whether they are wearing trendy designer clothes or a navy blue skirt and red polo shirt school uniform.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

For a twist, is there anyone who thinks that voting should be 100% free (even ID's), but thinks public schools should be able to require a uniform?

"Spacers" wrote:

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but in California, public schools that adopt a uniform policy must allow parents to opt out, and the school must provide the uniforms for free to any family that asks. The law used to say that any family that qualified for free lunch would qualify for a free uniform, but it was amended after legal challenge. California law says that any employer that requires a uniform must provide it for free, so it only makes sense that a school that would require a uniform should have to provide it, as well.

ETA: I looked at the law online and it *was* changed from the "free lunch" language but now it says "economically disadvantaged." However, I've been told by other parents at schools that do have a uniform that the school will provide it to anyone who asks because they can't legally ask you to document your financial status beyond the free lunch form.

Like Spacers said, in CA, you require it; you provide it. (OT This applies to supplies as well. No required school supply lists. No school fees.)

In CA, you can opt out of the uniforms for just about any reason. In TX, it's a bit more difficult but you can still do it.

I have mixed feelings on uniforms. Even though most parents support it, since they can opt out, it can fall apart. I thought a lot about the unifom issue. What in the adult world requires uniform and what is the purpose? Well, fast food workers, cops, firefighters, military...are those the careers we are preparing students for? It's more the blue-collar or public service careers. Then I thought some more. Who else wears uniforms? People on teams. In fact, fans pay big money to vicariously be a part of them. That makes sense to me: at school we are all part of the same team. To take it further, there hasn't been an issue of "individuality" on sports teams.

Overall, I think I am against them.

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"Alana*sMommy" wrote:

My girls are unique individuals too. Even wearing uniforms. Clothes don't make them who they are and I think that's an important lesson that I'm thrilled to teach my children. They can be who they desire to be, whether they are wearing trendy designer clothes or a navy blue skirt and red polo shirt school uniform.

I'm not saying they aren't. And of course clothes don't make them who they are, so why make everyone wear the same thing? If my son wears jeans and a t-shirt how does that make him less focused on his education? It doesn't.

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"ethanwinfield" wrote:

Like Spacers said, in CA, you require it; you provide it. (OT This applies to supplies as well. No required school supply lists. No school fees.)

Think is interesting. Here there are school lists of required supplies for even Public schools. There are big boxes just inside the door to many stores like Walmart. People donate supplies that are then given to students who can not afford them. Many teachers also pay for supplies out of pocket to give to students who can not afford them. Office Depot and Staples also have penny sales that offer many school supplies for $.01 each.

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There are many good reasons to require uniforms and I think several have been listed in this thread. Not only does it level the playing field a bit, but it helps to keep the focus on academics and not clothing trends. Kids come up with plenty of distractions on their own, and if the school is able to eliminate one major distraction, then why shouldn't they? Wearing uniforms also helps to create a sense of unity and school pride. I really can't think of a negative when it comes to school uniforms....besides the initial cost of purchasing them of course.

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