Why is the nation better off to spend X amount of dollars on welfare benefits than only 50% of X to eliminate welfare all together?
Truth is, the American public is not really ready for paradigm shifts regardless of their value. We'll spend dollars to save dimes if it means we don't have to change our ways.
I really do like the idea of people not having to struggle or worry about food and shelter. I like the idea of the automatic payment because it would take out the huge cost of bureaucracy that can consume many assistance programs. I just have trouble picturing it working. Maybe it is just some of the people I know but I think they would take advantage of the system.
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I am am getting severance now and many of my friends are jealous (not in a mean way) and would love to he getting paid without working. And I work in a pretty desirable field.
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And I agree that a guaranteed living amount would be helpful. Then again, we are both Canadian and used to socialism and do not think it is evil.
BTW, does BC have a low income working benefit that you would be eligible. We won't qualify until after next tax season but in Alberta we have a working benefit for low income. You get it around the same day as child tax benefit and you get more at back to school time.
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The entire point of socialism is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." Socialism is about working, finding ways for everyone to work. Working, playing our roles in our community, these are beautiful, meaningful acts. There are so many people who do not understand the value of this, however. There are people who wouldn't even volunteer their time if they were unemployed and not caring for others in their home. They would sit at home and watch tv. Part of that is the culture, of course. Work isn't as valued in many cultures as it should be. People actually look down on janitors and McDonald's workers. Who are working and putting into the economy and for unbelievably crap pay. Like Ethanwinfield says, there needs to be a huge paradigm shift.
I actually like this idea of pay for all. It would make a HUGE difference in our lives if I brought in a small paycheck every month. But OK, people think that there would be a lack of workers, so why not tie it to being part of the workforce, with some exemptions. If you have a job you are guaranteed a living wage, if you have kids you can take time out of the 'workforce' and be a professional parent, if you are injured you have a guaranteed income. There would still be some bureaucracy too it, but if it is tied to your taxes and everyone gets the same pay no matter what their spouse makes, etc, it would remove a lot of it.
Here if you live in a northern town you get a northern allowance, which is a guaranteed amount every month to account for a higher cost of living. I am not sure if you get it if you are unemployed though. We are a 'B' list town, so we just get a break on our taxes for living northern.
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I can't find the question where someone asked, who would work fast food jobs? I loved working in restaurants, I did it for the better part of 20 years. But the fact was that there was no way I could support a family on that income, and I was reaching a point in my life where family was important, so I got a degree in something I like doing so that I could get a job that I don't mind doing, that can support the family I wanted to have. I'd have been quite happy working in restaurants if I had some extra income to supplement it. Also, my husband is an unknown artist which means he basically makes no money if he's not working a job he hates. When he lost his latest-hate-it-office job when I was pregnant with Tiven, we decided he would be a stay-at-home dad for a while. It's now been ten years, and while we're lucky to be able to scrape by on my income, it would be great if he could get paid something for being an awesome dad.
I work for the state and we lose good people every single month to industry jobs that pay more. It's becoming a brain drain. Because the state can't match the salary levels, people who *want* to work for the good of the people are *not* doing it because it's not good for their personal bottom line. I've made the decision to stay here because there's no way I would find the flexibility I have here, in an industry job. I don't want to work 60 hours a week, I want to leave early for soccer practice a few weeks in the fall & spring, and I want to telecommute at least one day a week. I couldn't do that in a lot of other jobs so the trade-off is acceptable to me at this point. Again, it would be nice if there was a bit of a cushion for those of us who are choosing to do lower-paying work for the good of the people.
Would those of you opposed to it be OK with the concept of universal basic income if it phased out at the higher incomes?
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Livestock generates 65% of all human-related nitrous oxide, which is 296 times more warming to the environment than carbon dioxide; 37% of all human-related methane, which 23 times as warming as CO2; and 64 percent of ammonia, which contributes significantly to acid rain.
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