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    Clearly they don't expect this bill to pass. But do you think a vasectomy is even comparable to a late term abortion?


    Georgia Democrats propose limitations on vasectomies for men
    As members of Georgia?s House of Representatives debate whether to prohibit abortions for women more than 20 weeks pregnant, House Democrats introduced their own reproductive rights plan: No more vasectomies that leave "thousands of children ... deprived of birth."

    Rep. Yasmin Neal, a Democrat from the Atlanta suburb of Jonesboro, planned on Wednesday to introduce HB 1116, which would prevent men from vasectomies unless needed to avert serious injury or death.

    The bill reads: "It is patently unfair that men avoid the rewards of unwanted fatherhood by presuming that their judgment over such matters is more valid than the judgment of the General Assembly. ... It is the purpose of the General Assembly to assert an invasive state interest in the reproductive habits of men in this state and substitute the will of the government over the will of adult men."

    ?If we legislate women?s bodies, it?s only fair that we legislate men?s,? said Neal, who said she wanted to write bill that would generate emotion and conversation the way anti-abortion bills do. ?There are too many problems in the state. Why are you under the skirts of women? I?m sure there are other places to be."

    Personally, Neal said, she has no qualms with vasectomies.

    ?But even if it were proposed as a serious issue,? she said, ?it?s still not my place as a woman to tell a man what to do with his body."



    The anti-vasectomy bill was a response to a bill that would punish abortions performed after the 20th week of pregnancy with prison sentences between one and 10 years. Georgia law currently prohibits abortion after the second trimester, except to preserve the life and health of the mother. Neal's bill borrows some language directly from the anti-abortion bill.

    The anti-abortion bill makes exceptions to avert death or ?serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function? of the mother, but doesn?t include ?diagnosis or claim of a mental or emotional condition.? If an abortion occurs after the 20th week, the bill requires doctors to attempt to deliver a living baby.

    Earlier discussions about the bill have been ?outstanding,? said Rep. Doug McKillip, a Republican from Athens, Georgia, who introduced the anti-abortion bill this month. He said legislators are ?drilling down" on questions about when a fetus can feel pain and what exceptions can allow abortions later in pregnancy, and he expects more testimony late this week.

    ?I?m just disappointed in my colleague, that they would take this opportunity to make light of a very important topic,? McKillip said. ?I believe this is a serious topic deserving of serious debate. It feels like a poor attempt at humor.?

    Neal said she's serious about making legislators recognize women's rights to make private decisions about their bodies.

    "I hope that through the madness this has caused, it gets him to understand where the woman is coming from," she said. "There are a number of women in other states trying the same ploys we?re trying here."

    Earlier this month, Democratic Oklahoma Sen. Constance Johnson added ? then withdrew ? a provision to an anti-abortion bill that read "any action in which a man ejaculates or otherwise deposits semen anywhere but in a woman's vagina shall be interpreted and construed as an action against an unborn child." The state Senate passed the bill this month.

    In January, as the Virginia state Senate debated a bill that required women to have an ultrasound before an abortion, Democrat Janet Howell attached an amendment that required men to have rectal exams and cardiac stress tests before they could receive prescriptions for erectile dysfunction medication like Viagra. The amendment was rejected in the Senate, 21-19.

    CNN affiliate WAVY reported that hundreds gathered this week to protest the ultrasound bill, which is up for a vote in Virginia's House of Delegates, and another that says life begins at conception.

    On the Georgia House floor, Neal doesn't anticipate her anti-vasectomy bill will generate much serious debate.

    "If it moves anywhere," she said, "that?ll be a very interesting day."
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    The author's intent is to raise awareness of the fact that it is men who are making reproductive decisions for women, but there aren't any for men.

    It seems to be working in that many are discussing it.

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    Both prevent babies. No? I don't think that it is God's will that a man get his junk cut, or else God would do it himself, right? The abortion debate is impossible to have without God entering into it, so why shouldn't the big V debate entertain similar reasoning?

    When a man can get his viagra covered but a woman cant get her BCP covered I'd say we have a gigantic (throbbing, swelling ) problem on our hands. If this draws attention to it, awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Both prevent babies. No? I don't think that it is God's will that a man get his junk cut, or else God would do it himself, right? The abortion debate is impossible to have without God entering into it, so why shouldn't the big V debate entertain similar reasoning?

    When a man can get his viagra covered but a woman cant get her BCP covered I'd say we have a gigantic (throbbing, swelling ) problem on our hands. If this draws attention to it, awesome.
    Bull****. Abortion is not just a religious issue. I know a few Atheists who are 100% prolife and my prolife stance has never waivered though my faith did for a huge chunk of time. Gay marriage=religious values. Killing innocent babies=moral values

    Abortions after 20 weeks shouldn't be legal and the thought that anyone would defend that is disgusting. Democrats need to stop wasting taxpayer money and start trying to do something that might benefit the people they are supposed to be representing.

    Eta- ain't nobody trying to take away a woman's right to have her tubes tied. In fact I bet there are s crapton of conservatives who would happily donate to keep some women from reproducing. Actually, make that a lot of women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post

    Abortions after 20 weeks shouldn't be legal and the thought that anyone would defend that is disgusting.
    Even if it's medically necessary?

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    That's covered in the bill according to the article in the op. On fire not laptop or I'd quote it for you. I hate touchsvreens.

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    Why is it disgusting? If you believe that life begins at implantation it is killing a non viable fetus at 6 weeks just like at 20 weeks.

    I'm glad you know athiests like that. Gloria is best friends with a gay person. Diversity is awesome.

    Eta- ain't nobody trying to take away a woman's right to have her tubes tied. In fact I bet there are s crapton of conservatives who would happily donate to keep some women from reproducing. Actually, make that a lot of women.
    No doubt! Mandated sterilization for all drug users, right? OR the poor? Oh how I miss that crazy person who used to post here who was in favor of that. I forget her name, VODC or something. I bet there are a TONNN of conservatives who would want themselves to be allowed (and encouraged!) to continue to breed unhindered (furthering the kingdom) and to stop those poor dumb addicts from reproducing.

    Would increase our share, right?

    I mean, I get that, it just makes my stomach hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    That's covered in the bill according to the article in the op. On fire not laptop or I'd quote it for you. I hate touchsvreens.

    I did see it in the bill but your own statement was said in a general way so I wasn't sure if you agreed with that part in the bill. So I'm assuming you do only agree if it's medically necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Why is it disgusting? If you believe that life begins at implantation it is killing a non viable fetus at 6 weeks just like at 20 weeks.

    I'm glad you know athiests like that. Gloria is best friends with a gay person. Diversity is awesome.



    No doubt! Mandated sterilization for all drug users, right? OR the poor? Oh how I miss that crazy person who used to post here who was in favor of that. I forget her name, VODC or something. I bet there are a TONNN of conservatives who would want themselves to be allowed (and encouraged!) to continue to breed unhindered (furthering the kingdom) and to stop those poor dumb addicts from reproducing.

    Would increase our share, right?

    I mean, I get that, it just makes my stomach hurt.
    I think all of its disgusting, but at 20 weeks you have a baby who is only a few weeks from being viable. It's sad that anyone would want to kill something inside of them that they've probably felt move.

    I just think vast generalizations are stupid so thought I would point out why you were wrong instead of just saying you were.

    I was thinking more like the ones that neglect/abusee kids they already have but wow. Increase what share?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    I think all of its disgusting, but at 20 weeks you have a baby who is only a few weeks from being viable. It's sad that anyone would want to kill something inside of them that they've probably felt move.

    I just think vast generalizations are stupid so thought I would point out why you were wrong instead of just saying you were.

    I was thinking more like the ones that neglect/abusee kids they already have but wow. Increase what share?

    Wooooooohhhhh. Vast generalizations are stupid? Like, grapes?

    Why? I think that abortion is gross, period. It's why I don't have one. It's also why I don't watch reality TV, eat factory farmed meat, or put those weird awful fake tip things on my fingernails. ICK! Those things are gross to me. But I don't care if other people do them.

    Our share of the economy, of course. Less unwanted babies who are likely to be drug addicted/impared/non producing members of society.

    I would challenge you, however, to prove that despite your personal experience, there are a ton of atheist anti abortion people out there. Not that I don't believe you, I just grew up in the church and have seen this issue very, VERY clearly deliniated along religious lines.

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