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    I will go ahead and start this. What did you think?

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    I didn't watch it. I was too busy dealing with a 3-year-old who didn't want to sleep in his new big boy bed. DH watched the whole thing and summed it up for me: Biden was great, he nailed everything except his closing argument; Ryan wasn't bad, although he still didn't offer any details or specifics on anything; Biden was confident & comfortable but almost annoyingly so; Ryan seemed like he was trying to talk his grandfather into loaning him money for a business venture without telling Gramps that it's a strip club; Biden was surprisingly gaffe-free; and Ryan was also surprisingly gaffe-free unlike other recent Republican VP candidates. He gives Biden an A- and Ryan a C+. He said if Ryan had just given something specific about anything, he'd be up to B+ easily. He said it was a fun watch. I'm waiting for the transcripts to come out online so I can check it out myself.
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    Thanks for the sum up
    That is my problem so far with Ryan. I haven't really heard him explain anything, or be specific at all. Whether I agree with him or not, I would still like to hear him explain with specifics.
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    My random thoughts:

    I thought this debate was much better to watch than the last. I would concur with most of what Stacey said.

    I think Biden came out and did what he needed to do and nailed it. I agree that some of his mannerism will be off-putting to some and he was very interrupt-y, but overall he said what needed to be said and looked casual and comfortable doing it.

    I think Biden calling out the fact that there are no specifics on the tax plan/deficit stuff was fantastic, because it was obvious that Ryan refused to offer any up.

    The moment when Martha asked about abortions and if those who feel it should remain legal should be worried....and even though Ryan didn't say it out loud, his long pause amounts to a 'yes'

    I thought it was really annoying that Ryan did not answer the question right before closing statements that was asked of him and instead took it as a moment to reiterate everything he thinks about Obama.

    As a Catholic, I found the religion question fascinating.

    I think Martha asked highly specific questions and I enjoyed that a lot more this time around than in the presidential debate.

    Some of the commentary afterwards was very interesting. They commented a lot about the two different styles of debate they both had and how those styles are somewhat generational. Biden's style being more of a kitchen table, relaxed style and Ryan's a more polished and stiff style. They talked about media and television and how it played a role in changing the way politicians present themselves in these situations.

    To summarize: I think both did fairly well, i think Biden did better. From a swing voter standpoint, i think Biden did a better job of making those viewers question their vote for Romney than the other way around. But that those who aren't as concerned about substance will have possibly found Biden annoying and that might be a superficial turnoff, but a turnoff nonetheless.

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    I couldnt stand Biden, I thought he was a total jackass. And then when he lied about what the administration knew in the question about Libya he lost all credibility.

    I feel like Ryan was giving more specific answers this time, Biden kept interrupting him though and that was annoying.

    Not sure if this will change the minds of independent voters, but the fact check this morning was very interesting
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    I love Joe Biden so much. What a hoot. I think my favorite part was when he said "So you're Jack Kennedy now???" I was rolling.

    Patten Oswald pretty much summed it up perfectly. He tweeted (I'm paraphrasing) that Ryan was like the nervous Walmart manager, and Biden was the angry customer with a receipt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    I couldnt stand Biden, I thought he was a total jackass. And then when he lied about what the administration knew in the question about Libya he lost all credibility.

    I feel like Ryan was giving more specific answers this time, Biden kept interrupting him though and that was annoying.

    Not sure if this will change the minds of independent voters, but the fact check this morning was very interesting
    Were there things in particular that you are thinking of in the fact checking, aside from the Libya comment that you already mentioned? Because the fact check sites that I looked at seemed pretty evenly sprinkled between the two as far as fallacies or misquotes....honestly, i found Ryan's list to be a little more bothersome, but thats probably general bias...because I think overall they were fairly close.

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    I watched the whole thing twice. Once on my own, then DH watched it online when he got home from work.

    I thought Biden was very rude and unprofessional. He appealed to people who were already going to vote for Obama. Not to people who were still making up their minds or Republicans. One thing that struck me was his policy on Afghanistan. Biden wanted just a few people left there trusting the Afghan people to protect the remaining people there. As Ryan pointed out, that leaves the soldiers there in extreme danger. Since our friend died last week, we have been more sensitive to the news reports. People are dying over there every single day.

    Overall, my news feed on FB was full of at least 50 commits on how rude Biden was and how unprofessional he was. I do feel that Ryan could have been a little more aggressive, but I would rather professionalism in a person who is just a heart beat away from being POTUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I watched the whole thing twice. Once on my own, then DH watched it online when he got home from work.

    I thought Biden was very rude and unprofessional. He appealed to people who were already going to vote for Obama. Not to people who were still making up their minds or Republicans.
    Several different analysis i saw stated that both VP candidates really 'talked' to their own crowds last night, i tend to agree.....aside from the fact that Ryan and Romney's new favorite words are 'middle class'.

    Overall, my news feed on FB was full of at least 50 commits on how rude Biden was and how unprofessional he was.
    Not sure, but i would imagine your FB newfeed is somewhat right leaning? Mine is probably slightly to the left. I have a lot of liberal friends and DH's family is very liberal, but my family is crazy conservative and DH and iwent to a ridiculously conservative catholic college. My feed hardly focused on Biden's behavior at all.

    I do feel that Ryan could have been a little more aggressive, but I would rather professionalism in a person who is just a heart beat away from being POTUS.
    Its interesting...in both debates, the one who seemed to come out the bigger winner (albeit the VP debate was way closer than the presidential) was the one who was considered more aggressive and ruder.

    Someone made an interesting comment last night....actually a few people referenced it. Something about how when your opponent focuses more on your mannerisms and personality than your content, its a good sign that you won.
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