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    This doesn't really prove anything, and most political experts will tell you the quick polls after the event are unreliable.

    Most political experts will also tell you that the VP debate is actually fairly inconsequential anyway...and all the debates actually.

    However i still enjoy them

    Also, 381 people participated in that poll.....really, how useful is that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    This doesn't really prove anything, and most political experts will tell you the quick polls after the event are unreliable.

    Most political experts will also tell you that the VP debate is actually fairly inconsequential anyway...and all the debates actually.

    However i still enjoy them

    Also, 381 people participated in that poll.....really, how useful is that.
    There is nothing to prove. All I am saying is that you can't say Biden was a clear winner.

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    For balance, and to show how wildly quick results polls can fluctuate or differ:

    Poll: Biden takes debate over Ryan, uncommitted voters say - CBS News
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    There is nothing to prove. All I am saying is that you can't say Biden was a clear winner.
    I've already stated that this was a much closer debate then last time, and I also said Ryan did very well. So i don't think i've suggested that there was a *clear* winner.

    I do however have my opinion as to who I think did better, so my comments in regards to who 'won' (i use that term loosely anyway) are to support my personal opinion. And I think the comment about focusing on personality is a poignant one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    For balance, and to show how wildly quick results polls can fluctuate or differ:

    Poll: Biden takes debate over Ryan, uncommitted voters say - CBS News
    You have to have a balanced sampling to get a balanced result.
    The "uncommitted voters" who participated in this poll are either undecided or have chosen a candidate but say they could still change their minds. They are less likely than voters overall to identify with either of the two major political parties: 58 percent call themselves independents, 17 percent identify as Republicans, and 25 percent say they are Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    You have to have a balanced sampling to get a balanced result.
    They are all uncommitted though, and thats the most important part, to both candidates. Who cares what party they are a part of, if they are uncommitted. And in regards to balance, 50/50 or 33/33/33 would not be helpful to you. Because what you would prefer, is a proportion that is reflective of the uncommitted voters across the US. And i would easily be willing to bet that those who are uncommitted across the US are not divided evently between republicans, independants and dems.

    Many more people are registered Dem than Rep. BTW

    ETA:, and thats not what i meant by balance. By balance i meant, you throw me out a quick results poll in favor of ryan, and i can throw you out a quick results poll in favor of biden. And NEITHER are likely to reflect the correct proportions of uncommitted voters across the US NOR likely to be accurate.
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    I'm sorry but does anyone really believe anymore that the embassy attack in Benghazi had anything to do with a movie trailer? The Obama administration purposely mislead people from the start to cover up the fact that they didn't have enough security there for purely political reasons. After Biden started out with that lie he lost all credibility in my opinion. Then he lost more points when he kept interrupting. 82 times to be exact. I think that was just disprespectful.

    RNC: Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times | WashingtonExaminer.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I'm sorry but does anyone really believe anymore that the embassy attack in Benghazi had anything to do with a movie trailer? The Obama administration purposely mislead people from the start to cover up the fact that they didn't have enough security there for purely political reasons. After Biden started out with that lie he lost all credibility in my opinion.
    I think painting this as a 'lost all credibility' moment is an easy way out. Something similar to this spoken by the people that you agree with overall in policy would never be considered a 'lost all credibility' moment. People who are trying to decide on who to vote for would be ridiculous to say "Oh, the Lybia thing?" Forget it, i'm not going to listen at all to what Biden has to say about "Taxes, or Medicare, or Abortion...or anything else, he's lost *all* credibility"

    I mean really, of all the fallacies presented to date on both sides. I think this is a deflection as to how the debate went as a whole IMO.

    Then he lost more points when he kept interrupting. 82 times to be exact. I think that was just disprespectful.

    RNC: Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times | WashingtonExaminer.com
    Funny how the tides have turned. All of a sudden people should be more respectful in debates. Either that, or its okay to be rude to the moderator, just not your opponent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post

    I do however have my opinion as to who I think did better, so my comments in regards to who 'won' (i use that term loosely anyway) are to support my personal opinion. And I think the comment about focusing on personality is a poignant one.
    This is fine. I will agree that Biden had a strong showing. To me personally, I think Ryan did better because of how he handled himself. He obviously is closer aligned with what I believe in. Many of the things Biden said are things that I could never ever vote for and would strongly alienate someone who believed as I do. I am sure that the same could be said to the opposite about Ryan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Many more people are registered Dem than Rep. BTW
    That doesn't mean they will all vote. The polls have been oversampling Democrats for awhile now. They have started to tone it down a little now because now that Romney is pulling ahead they realize that they are going to look stupid if they keep it up.

    Republicans and Democrats alike have honed in on the fact that recent media polls are oversampling Democrats. Indeed, we have seen many polls that are heavily skewed. There was the Washington Post/ABC poll that had a +9 Democrat skew in late August. There was the Marquette poll for Wisconsin from two weeks ago with a D+8 sample. And the newest swing state poll from Quinnipiac gave Obama a spread between Democrats and Republicans that was even greater than the historic Democrat advantage in 2008, a seven point spread between voters identifying themselves as Democrats or Republicans at 39 percent to 32 percent, in each state they polled.

    In a recent interview, Romney pollster Neil Newhouse made the argument that these mainstream polls are skewed in favor of Obama. “I don’t think [the polls] reflect the composition of what 2012 is going to look like,” he said.
    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...#ixzz2966iszXo
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