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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Many of the things Biden said are things that I could never ever vote for and would strongly alienate someone who believed as I do.
    Keep in mind, the debate isn't really meant to get people who believe as you do to vote for Biden(and Obama). Or people like me to vote for Ryan(and Romney). You are a committed voter and everything that I've seen you say would lead me to believe you are unwaivering in that stance. Who really matters is actually people who don't think like you...or me.
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    That doesn't mean they will all vote. The polls have been oversampling Democrats for awhile now. They have started to tone it down a little now because now that Romney is pulling ahead they realize that they are going to look stupid if they keep it up.
    You've missed my point. My point was one about math. You seemed to suggest that the poll should have been evenly split between reps, dems and independents. And my point was "thats no more accurate and would only be true if the proportions of uncommitted voters was also evenly split between reps, dems and independents"

    And my OVERALL point was that these types of poll results are rather useless to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Were there things in particular that you are thinking of in the fact checking, aside from the Libya comment that you already mentioned? Because the fact check sites that I looked at seemed pretty evenly sprinkled between the two as far as fallacies or misquotes....honestly, i found Ryan's list to be a little more bothersome, but thats probably general bias...because I think overall they were fairly close.
    I agree they were close in their misrepresentation of facts. I found Bidens list to be more bothersome, again probably bias. I think the Libya things is just big right now and Biden should have been better prepared for dealing with it. With all the testimony going on in Congress the day before saying there was not a single bit of intelligence coming out saying it was a spontaneous riot, he looked like he was trying very hard to deceiveer.
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    I don't see how anyone that cares about the troops in Afghanistan can not be extremely worried about what will happen to them if Obama is elected after Biden's attitude about it. Maybe I am a little biased because my son is there but I thought it was very scary that it seems like politics mean more to the Obama administration than the safety of our soldiers. Especially when even reporters are starting to speak out about how this administration is trying to cover things up to spin them their way.

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    Biden had at least two lies, I would have to factcheck online for the rest - #1 was when he emphatically said to the camera that anyone denied benefits on Medicare to tell him.. implying there wasn't any.. TONS of people I know on medicare have been denied. #2 saying Catholic based hospitals don't have to pay for abortions via their healthcare plans.
    Also his thoughts on Iran obtaining an nuclear weapon..saying they have "nothing to put it in" sounded like a Kindergarten argument.. One can easily HIDE a container.. seriously.. there was a Russian military plane dug up over there about 9 years ago, out of the sand!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Several different analysis i saw stated that both VP candidates really 'talked' to their own crowds last night, i tend to agree.....aside from the fact that Ryan and Romney's new favorite words are 'middle class'.



    Not sure, but i would imagine your FB newfeed is somewhat right leaning? Mine is probably slightly to the left. I have a lot of liberal friends and DH's family is very liberal, but my family is crazy conservative and DH and iwent to a ridiculously conservative catholic college. My feed hardly focused on Biden's behavior at all.



    Its interesting...in both debates, the one who seemed to come out the bigger winner (albeit the VP debate was way closer than the presidential) was the one who was considered more aggressive and ruder.

    Someone made an interesting comment last night....actually a few people referenced it. Something about how when your opponent focuses more on your mannerisms and personality than your content, its a good sign that you won.
    Actually, I think feeling the need to not let someone finish their thought over and over and over again means that you know that what they are going to say is something you don't want to let people hear. I'm not a fan of any of the candidates we have, but I think it's insane to pretend like his behavior had anything to do with mannerisms and personality and are instead, a lack of both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    Actually, I think feeling the need to not let someone finish their thought over and over and over again means that you know that what they are going to say is something you don't want to let people hear. I'm not a fan of any of the candidates we have, but I think it's insane to pretend like his behavior had anything to do with mannerisms and personality and are instead, a lack of both.
    Totally it was the FIRST time ever that I was embarrassed to have my sons watch a debate with me and say.. "that is our Vice President". Never has the President or VP ever acted like that during a debate, nor any candidate, it was rude, uncalled for, and I would have punished my children if they had acted like that in public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    Actually, I think feeling the need to not let someone finish their thought over and over and over again means that you know that what they are going to say is something you don't want to let people hear. I'm not a fan of any of the candidates we have, but I think it's insane to pretend like his behavior had anything to do with mannerisms and personality and are instead, a lack of both.
    Okay, again my point was missed. Put in the word 'behavior' for 'mannerisms and personality' and its the same thing, you dont' like my choice of words, put whatever word you want int here.

    And my other point was Romney's behavior was just as rude it he presidential debate, not to Obama, but to Leher, and very little was said by any Rep. about that. This is just something for Reps to focus on.

    Either you think rude behavior is acceptable or its not. When it doesn't effect your view of Romney, but does of Biden, its not very convincing.

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    neither Romney nor Obama laughed at each other mockingly. Both Obama and Romney interrupted each other I would say equally. And Obama was just as "rude" to Leher as Romney, I saw them as equal there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Okay, again my point was missed. Put in the word 'behavior' for 'mannerisms and personality' and its the same thing, you dont' like my choice of words, put whatever word you want int here.

    And my other point was Romney's behavior was just as rude it he presidential debate, not to Obama, but to Leher, and very little was said by any Rep. about that. This is just something for Reps to focus on.

    Either you think rude behavior is acceptable or its not. When it doesn't effect your view of Romney, but does of Biden, its not very convincing.
    I think there was a big difference between the way Romney acted and the way Biden acted. A huge difference
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