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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    No they can't all move up. Most of them use it as an entry level job while they are going to school or get some experience and then quit and move on to something bigger and better. But I very much doubt many people stay at a cashier position for 10 years unless they are just lazy and not interested in advancing. There are a lot of jobs between starting out as a cashier and management with varying degrees of responsibility. There are also jobs such as in the back office that pay more that you can move into such as handling cash and receipts or human resources, managing computer systems, etc. There a lot more positions in a retail store than just the ones you see up front.
    I wouldn't call being on your feet all day, being the face of your company to their customers, handling your company's revenue intake, et cetera "lazy." And it's actually quite essential to the company's success. This is what I mean, I think it's amazing how we devalue people who are putting in an honest day's work.

    But, whether they are lazy or not, they still have to eat for however long they are lounging around the cash register or the mop bucket, or whatever. If we agree that they still have to eat, and we agree that food costs money, then we agree that the money has to come from somewhere, right? So it can come out of Wal-Mart's $17BB deep pockets, or it can come from ours, but it's coming from somewhere. That's really my main point. I have no desire to research how many people use Wal-Mart as a mere stepping stone to greatness, I'm just arguing that while they are there and Wal-Mart is paying them peanuts, someone has to make up the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I wouldn't call being on your feet all day, being the face of your company to their customers, handling your company's revenue intake, et cetera "lazy." And it's actually quite essential to the company's success. This is what I mean, I think it's amazing how we devalue people who are putting in an honest day's work.

    But, whether they are lazy or not, they still have to eat for however long they are lounging around the cash register or the mop bucket, or whatever. If we agree that they still have to eat, and we agree that food costs money, then we agree that the money has to come from somewhere, right? So it can come out of Wal-Mart's $17BB deep pockets, or it can come from ours, but it's coming from somewhere. That's really my main point. I have no desire to research how many people use Wal-Mart as a mere stepping stone to greatness, I'm just arguing that while they are there and Wal-Mart is paying them peanuts, someone has to make up the difference.
    There are people that work at Walmart long term. I was in WM recently and the cashier was saying she has worked there for 25 years.

    That said, I do not believe the answer is to require WM to double their pay. I do not know what the answer is, but I do not believe that is it. If you raise the wage, the company will raise the cost of goods. Those people will then need to pay more for basics. It will inflate the worth of the dollar, and people will be just as poor as they are now. In my opinion, a much better focus would be one getting the people who want better jobs, better jobs. There is no need for a college student wanting to make a little extra in the summer double the minimum wage for a low entry position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    There are people that work at Walmart long term. I was in WM recently and the cashier was saying she has worked there for 25 years.

    That said, I do not believe the answer is to require WM to double their pay. I do not know what the answer is, but I do not believe that is it. If you raise the wage, the company will raise the cost of goods. Those people will then need to pay more for basics. It will inflate the worth of the dollar, and people will be just as poor as they are now. In my opinion, a much better focus would be one getting the people who want better jobs, better jobs. There is no need for a college student wanting to make a little extra in the summer double the minimum wage for a low entry position.
    Maybe this is a side point, but am I seriously the only college student that had to support herself? We keep taking like it's ok for Wal mart to pay college students next to nothing because hey, they're just college students! They don't need money! Ferreals, I've been on my own since I was 19 years old, and I seem to recall that I needed a roof over my head and food in my belly just like anybody else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Maybe this is a side point, but am I seriously the only college student that had to support herself? We keep taking like it's ok for Wal mart to pay college students next to nothing because hey, they're just college students! They don't need money! Ferreals, I've been on my own since I was 19 years old, and I seem to recall that I needed a roof over my head and food in my belly just like anybody else.
    The point is that you can not pay everyone $30,000 a year. There has to be lower and higher wage jobs. If you raise the lower wage jobs up, it will just lower what you can buy with that money. For example a loaf of bread used to cost $.05 a loaf. Now it is $1-$3 a loaf. Yes people make more now then they did years ago, but you can buy less with that money. If you raise the minimum wage double what it is now, you will only devalue money.

    I worked while in college. During the summers I worked in a factory making $7.25/hour and during the year I made around the same working for the university cleaning.

    I think of the old antage "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime." Getting Walmart to raise their wages substantially (Doubling it, I totally think they could raise their pay by a few dollars an hour and it not hurt them, but we are talking about at least doubling what they pay) might help in the short term, but would hurt greatly long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elleon17 View Post
    To me it was always a commission based sales job, the more I sold, the better service I provided, the more money I made. YOu are correct in the fact that the company has to make up the difference to minimum if you bring in less than that, but in all the restaurants I worked over several years I never saw that happen once. If you sell real estate, you don't have a minimum salary usually (sometimes a draw), I guess my point is not every job, including many high paying ones, do not have stable base salaries and shouldn't be forced to either. Its a choice to work a job for pay whatever it may be, or the risk that comes with tips, commissions, etc.

    I never said there was shame in working at Walmart.
    Tips are optional. Commission is not.

    I can't choose to not pay my real estate agent commission on the sale of my home. It's in the contract. I do not have a contract with my server, hair stylist, etc. In the commission jobs I've had, it is very specific what the terms of commission are. It has never been ambiguous the way tips are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    No they can't all move up. Most of them use it as an entry level job while they are going to school or get some experience and then quit and move on to something bigger and better. But I very much doubt many people stay at a cashier position for 10 years unless they are just lazy and not interested in advancing. There are a lot of jobs between starting out as a cashier and management with varying degrees of responsibility. There are also jobs such as in the back office that pay more that you can move into such as handling cash and receipts or human resources, managing computer systems, etc. There a lot more positions in a retail store than just the ones you see up front.
    Not uncommon at all at the grocery store I've previously mentioned.

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    I really don't get the argument that it's okay to hire full time workers and not pay them enough money to live on, especially if you're a huge, profitable company. And I agree with Alissa here for sure:

    So my point stands, if you don't think that people should expect to live off of a full time job, then fine, but accept that they are going to need public assistance instead.
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    I really don't get the argument that it's okay to hire full time workers and not pay them enough money to live on, especially if you're a huge, profitable company. And I agree with Alissa here for sure:

    So my point stands, if you don't think that people should expect to live off of a full time job, then fine, but accept that they are going to need public assistance instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Maybe this is a side point, but am I seriously the only college student that had to support herself? We keep taking like it's ok for Wal mart to pay college students next to nothing because hey, they're just college students! They don't need money! Ferreals, I've been on my own since I was 19 years old, and I seem to recall that I needed a roof over my head and food in my belly just like anybody else.
    I supported myself. My parents didn't have the money to send me to school and I did it all on my own with student loans and working. I worked cashier jobs at a few different places that is how I know that other retail places are no different than Walmart in how they work people part time and do their scheduling, and the pay. I worked at Sears during my college years and started out at $4.10 an hour. And I didn't mean lazy as in standing there working all day, I meant lazy in not attempting to see what other positions are open in the company and applying to work in other departments and learning how to advance yourself. When I worked at Sears I started out as a cashier in the catalog department, but even though I was just a part time college student I learned how to do my job well and then started applying for other positions in the company to get pay increases. Eventually I moved up into a main cashier position with much more responsibility and then into the back room where they did all the bank work depositing checks, balancing all the cashier drawers, etc. At any company if you are responsible and do your job well you will have the opportunity to advance if you want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Not uncommon at all at the grocery store I've previously mentioned.
    A grocery store would have a lot less chances for advancement than Walmart since they don't really have many other positions. I can't imagine working at that kind of job for 10 years without even wanting to find something better. I'm sure maybe there are people who just want to do a menial job for their whole life, but most people would want to move on to something else besides an entry level job after 10 years.
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