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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I think there is a difference between receiving help while you are down on your luck, in between jobs, a college student working to better yourself, and having it as career plan for your whole life.
    I think that someone who works full time at an essential job (well, essential if you actually want stores like Walmart to exist - I realize that's debatable) is a productive member of society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    And the woman in the article you cited? She's on disability now after working for years. So at some point she paid taxes.

    My ex had to be on government assistance for a while. In spite of not receiving a dime of CS during that time, I never once felt any ill-will toward him, his situation, or the lack of CS. Heck, he could have received more money than I was earning during that time and I still would not begrudge him the "entitlement." He served in the military and had a steady job for a combined 15 years. He more than "repaid" his "handout" with his tax dollars and sacrifices.

    That's one of the reasons I try not to judge. I don't know the situation/circumstances others are in. When it comes to financial stability and our health, it could all be gone in a heartbeat.
    I don't have a problem with this woman receiving assistance. It is the rest of the people in her family that could be working. It is sad that she is on disability and 3 other adults that could be working are being supported by her.

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    As for student loans - you paid 8%? Since 1995, the max interest rate is 8.25%, but it hasn't gone about 7.46% since 1992.
    Yes I graduated from college in 1986. Interest rates were higher then. My first new car after I graduated I paid 8% too. That was a good rate at that time even if you had good credit. The rate on used car loans was about 15%.
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    Gloria - according to the inflation calculator I'm looking at, your $4.10 in 1982 would be the same as $9.92 today, and you admit that your were very poor back then. Making $7.25 today would be like making $3 back then. Now imagine maybe you have a kid to support as well. Does that put it any more into context yet? BTW I am assuming 1982 was your freshman year since you said you graduated in 1986. Sorry, I am on my phone and it's hard to toggle back and forth to post the link to cite my source but if you google inflation calculator I just used the first one that came up which is from something like "the Department of Labor Statistics."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I think that someone who works full time at an essential job (well, essential if you actually want stores like Walmart to exist - I realize that's debatable) is a productive member of society.
    I am not saying that a person who makes $8/hr. is not a productive member of society. I do not think that at all. Somewhere along the debate someone suggested that the people who are in favore of low wage jobs tend to also be the people against Government help. That does not mean any particular person on this board believes that way. I think that entry level jobs are there for a reason and are great for beginner jobs or in-between jobs. Same with Government help. There for times when someone is down on their luck or in between. Neither one though, should (In my opinion) be someone's life long plan. If you want to be a cashier for your entire life, then you need to accept that you might need two jobs or be in a double income home.

    When my girls are older and out of the home, I might get a job at Walmart just for the job experience. A more professional job might not hire someone who has been a SAHM for 15 years. Not for the pay, but for the job reference and as a stepping stone for something better. I think there will always be plenty of people for those jobs. Walmart is not going to be short on employees because there are always going to be people in that kind of a situation.
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    For however long they are in tha job, unless they have another means of support (like you have with your husband) they will need assistance. And then when they move on, the next person to take the job will too, and so on. So by expecting that everyone is able to move on, you're still not necessarily saving any tax payer money, because as long as there are people working below the cost of living, they will possibly need the help. Could be the same person or two different people, who cares?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    For however long they are in tha job, unless they have another means of support (like you have with your husband) they will need assistance. And then when they move on, the next person to take the job will too, and so on. So by expecting that everyone is able to move on, you're still not necessarily saving any tax payer money, because as long as there are people working below the cost of living, they will possibly need the help. Could be the same person or two different people, who cares?
    That is just how it is. Removing lower paying jobs is not the answer. Yes, there are some people who work at Walmart their entire career, but for most it is an in-between place. Just out of school, only wanting something part time, in between jobs, or retired. Paying all of those people double the minimum wage does not solve any problems. It only raises the cost of products. Just as you earlier were figuring out an inflation rate, raising the wages is what causes the need for that to happen. It does not make it so that you can buy more things, it makes it so that you need more money to buy the same amount of things.

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    Okay. So assuming we accept the premise that Walmart can't pay a better wage, then Conservatives need to accept that many of those workers will need government assistance and budget accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    When my girls are older and out of the home, I might get a job at Walmart just for the job experience. A more professional job might not hire someone who has been a SAHM for 15 years. Not for the pay, but for the job reference and as a stepping stone for something better. I think there will always be plenty of people for those jobs. Walmart is not going to be short on employees because there are always going to be people in that kind of a situation.
    Yes, and no one else in any other situation should take a walmart job....even if its the only thing they can find, because obviously the job is only for a certain type of person. Even if there is a disproportionate amount of low wage low paying jobs...because better jobs, like manufacturing jobs had to move over seas in order to meet the demands of big box store's low prices in order to stay in business.

    Right. Just leave the walmart jobs to the young kids and the stay at home mom who wants to make some extra cash.

    Its not that there are 'plenty of kids who need an entry job'....its that there are too many people who aren't kids who need a job, to do things like support their families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Okay. So assuming we accept the premise that Walmart can't pay a better wage, then Conservatives need to accept that many of those workers will need government assistance and budget accordingly.
    No Alissa, don't be silly. We've established that this 'need for assistance' in the US is fabricated and non-existent because there is an article about a pregnant person staying home and not working when she should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Yes, and no one else in any other situation should take a walmart job....even if its the only thing they can find, because obviously the job is only for a certain type of person. Even if there is a disproportionate amount of low wage low paying jobs...because better jobs, like manufacturing jobs had to move over seas in order to meet the demands of big box store's low prices in order to stay in business.

    Right. Just leave the walmart jobs to the young kids and the stay at home mom who wants to make some extra cash.

    Its not that there are 'plenty of kids who need an entry job'....its that there are too many people who aren't kids who need a job, to do things like support their families.
    It is a shame that there are many people who are in need of real sustainable jobs. I do not think the answer is to pay entry level jobs enough to support a family. I think the better answer is to create more better jobs. Create an environment to draw in businesses that bring good paying jobs into the area (Not tax them so much that they have no choice to move somewhere cheaper). Offer programs like VR to train people into a trade or field that can sustain a family. Work on helping people without an education to get a better job, help them to get their GED and into a better position.

    Not do away with entry level positions, work to get people into better jobs. There are many fields that are understaffed. My husband is a sign language interpreter. There is a shortage of sign language interpreters in many areas of the country. (This is just one area that I am most familiar with.) Offer training to get people out of low wage jobs into areas where there are shortages. Getting Walmart to pay more is only putting a bandage on a gushing wound. It does not heal the problem. It might make it look better for a short while, but does not offer any lasting solutions.

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