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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    It is a shame that there are many people who are in need of real sustainable jobs. I do not think the answer is to pay entry level jobs enough to support a family. I think the better answer is to create more better jobs.
    Interesting...considering so many living wage jobs went overseas because of big box retail.

    But you know...big box retail shouldn't be held responsible in anyway, thats silly.

    Can we just at the very least admit that big box retail has not been great for our nation? I mean if it helps people to admit it if we remove the W word from the sentence, then i'll do it just this once. (Even if they are the largest profit earner by far, most influential and the ones that lead the way to this model and business practice of price bullying...but I'll let it go just this once to get an admission that big box retail is bad for our nation)

    Create an environment to draw in businesses that bring good paying jobs into the area (Not tax them so much that they have no choice to move somewhere cheaper).
    Its not just the taxes, it is the insistence by the most powerful retailers demanding unreasonably low prices for manufactured goods, so they can in turn sell it to everyone else dirt cheap. Did you by any chance take the time to watch the front line episode i linked to pages and pages back? Or at least read the transcript? You would really have a better understanding of what has happened here. Its so much more complicated then 'taxes'

    Offer programs like VR to train people into a trade or field that can sustain a family. Work on helping people without an education to get a better job, help them to get their GED and into a better position.
    Add to that that consumers should stop praising the likes of walmart and going gaga over cheap crap and maybe live with a little less so that companies don't have to manfucter goods at the cheapest prices possible.

    Not do away with entry level positions, work to get people into better jobs.
    I'm pretty sure we have an over-abundance of entry level non-skilled dead end jobs that pay extremely low. I'd be okay with doing away with some of them! Especially if they could be replaced with entry level non-skilled jobs that pay better and lead to better opportunity...like the ones we used to have before they went to China.

    There are many fields that are understaffed. My husband is a sign language interpreter. There is a shortage of sign language interpreters in many areas of the country.
    This is not comparable. You can train someone to use a machine (for manufacturing)....and you can train someone to work a cash register or stock shelves...you cannot train someone to be a sign-langauge interpreter in the same way. Are you now figuring that everyone who wants to be a higher wage earner(by higher wage, i'm not meaning tons more...just something that better than walmart) has the resources to learn something like this?


    (This is just one area that I am most familiar with.) Offer training to get people out of low wage jobs into areas where there are shortages.
    Yeah...just offer it. Thats all you have to do...go around offering it. Offer it? What does that even mean. (lets not forget that 'offering' training to people costs a lot of money!)
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    Yeah, I don't know who's going to step up and pay for training, and pay people to live WHILE they're training. And am I really SUCH an idealist by thinking that if you work a full time job you should be able to support yourself?
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    They used to have a program like that here. My parents were on assistance when first married and had me. Less than 1 year, they had food stamps and welfare and housing while my dad went to tech school and learned drafting. Drafting allowed them to move out of housing and get off assistance before I turned 1. He did that for about 6 years, moved up and then moved to a much better paying job where he still is. This was considered to cost too much money, so instead of paying for someone under a year, it encourages people stay on assistance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    That is just how it is. Removing lower paying jobs is not the answer. Yes, there are some people who work at Walmart their entire career, but for most it is an in-between place. Just out of school, only wanting something part time, in between jobs, or retired. Paying all of those people double the minimum wage does not solve any problems. It only raises the cost of products. Just as you earlier were figuring out an inflation rate, raising the wages is what causes the need for that to happen. It does not make it so that you can buy more things, it makes it so that you need more money to buy the same amount of things.
    At some point we are going to have to acknowledge that raising minimum wage is an effort to meet the cost of inflation that has already happened. If I am not mistaken, the last time minimum wage was raised was in 2008. The cost of rent/property taxes, sales tax, food, transportation, etc. have all gone up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    At some point we are going to have to acknowledge that raising minimum wage is an effort to meet the cost of inflation that has already happened. If I am not mistaken, the last time minimum wage was raised was in 2008. The cost of rent/property taxes, sales tax, food, transportation, etc. have all gone up.
    Right...raising minimum wage is not the only thing that increases the cost of living...cost of living still goes up anyway. So if we don't raise the minimum wage, those who are making it get poorer and poorer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Right...raising minimum wage is not the only thing that increases the cost of living...cost of living still goes up anyway. So if we don't raise the minimum wage, those who are making it get poorer and poorer.
    Yes, and to that end, here is a study that shows that the minimum wage has already failed to keep up with inflation.

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42973.pdf

    Basically, minimum wage is currently 36% behind where it was in 1968 when it was at it's peak purchasing power. You know, during that Golden Age that Conservatives long to return to when the wife stayed home to take care of the children. I know, I know, the Poors' desire for iPhones and Cable TV has Brought About Their Own Downfall, but still, think of how many more cupcakes they could buy on their own dime if they had an extra 36% to play with! And somehow companies were still able to hire people and stay in business back then too. It's weird.
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    Think of the cupcakes!!!! Lol Alissa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Gloria - according to the inflation calculator I'm looking at, your $4.10 in 1982 would be the same as $9.92 today, and you admit that your were very poor back then. Making $7.25 today would be like making $3 back then. Now imagine maybe you have a kid to support as well. Does that put it any more into context yet? BTW I am assuming 1982 was your freshman year since you said you graduated in 1986. Sorry, I am on my phone and it's hard to toggle back and forth to post the link to cite my source but if you google inflation calculator I just used the first one that came up which is from something like "the Department of Labor Statistics."
    I don't really agree with that because where is the cost of living taken into account? It is vastly different for Texas than some other areas. That's why so many people are moving to Texas because we are business friendly and your dollar goes a lot further here. Thats one reason why minimum wage laws don't work, because the amount that will work for one area won't for another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I don't really agree with that because where is the cost of living taken into account? It is vastly different for Texas than some other areas. That's why so many people are moving to Texas because we are business friendly and your dollar goes a lot further here. Thats one reason why minimum wage laws don't work, because the amount that will work for one area won't for another.
    I'm sure it's an average and that there is variation from place to place, but you have to know that $4.10 doesn't stretch as far today as it did in the early 1980's...even in TX.

    I do agree that there probably needs to be a local component to how they figure out what the minumum wage should be. I know in Denver we would need a higher min wage than in TN for example (since we've talked a lot about the low cost of living in TN.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I don't really agree with that because where is the cost of living taken into account? It is vastly different for Texas than some other areas. That's why so many people are moving to Texas because we are business friendly and your dollar goes a lot further here. Thats one reason why minimum wage laws don't work, because the amount that will work for one area won't for another.
    Minimum wage in my state is currently $8 and set to increase..

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