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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Just speaking to this, there is an Amazon distribution center near where I live. They offer a lot of jobs, but they are very low paying jobs. They pay about a half to a third of what most other factories in the area pay and less than Walmart pays for full time work.

    (Not really relevant, but just wanted to put it out there)
    How much less than Walmart? Because federal minimum wage is $7.25. According to glassdoor, amazon warehouse pays $10-$13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    How much less than Walmart? Because federal minimum wage is $7.25. According to glassdoor, amazon warehouse pays $10-$13.
    I know several people that work there and make $8/hour. Walmart workers make around $8.25. I know it is not a huge difference, but it stands out because the kind of work it is. Most other factory workers locally make twice that were as it is more normal for retail workers to make that amount.

    ETA - I apologise, I just went and looked at local wanted ads. They are hiring right now and had wanted ads out. It appears that they have raised their wages. I know when they opened the Warehouse it was all over the news that 200 jobs were coming at that they paid $8/hour and that is what people that worked there made. The wanted ad has the wage now at $11.50-$13/hour so that is great.
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    I went back and did a through search to see what happened. I think in the begining when they first opened they went through a temp agency and those jobs paid $8 an hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I went back and did a through search to see what happened. I think in the begining when they first opened they went through a temp agency and those jobs paid $8 an hour.
    Interesting because temp agencies usually pay more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    Interesting because temp agencies usually pay more.
    Not the ones that I am familiar with. While I was a college student I worked at a factory for two summers through a temp agency. Granted that was several years ago, but I made $7.25/hr while the union workers working along side me were making $15/hr.

    ETA - For reference, that was in NY where I grew up.

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    Is everyone who works for Wal-Mart in college or a trade school? That's awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Not the ones that I am familiar with. While I was a college student I worked at a factory for two summers through a temp agency. Granted that was several years ago, but I made $7.25/hr while the union workers working along side me were making $15/hr.

    ETA - For reference, that was in NY where I grew up.
    I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing that had more to do with the union than the temp agency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Actually, no serving is not considered a "commision-based" position. If at any point there is a shortfall, the employer has to pick up the difference. IOW, servers have to paid minimum wage whether it comes from their employer or their customers. For example, let's say it's a slow night. One server worked for 2 hours but only made $6 in tips. $4 + $6 = $10. $10/2 hours = $5. The employer would have to pay the difference (somewhere around $4 in my example.) Not saying it usually happens just what is supposed to happen if it does.

    It's irrelevant in CA; servers have to be paid at least minimum wage; tips are on top of that.

    There's no shame in working at Walmart.
    To me it was always a commission based sales job, the more I sold, the better service I provided, the more money I made. YOu are correct in the fact that the company has to make up the difference to minimum if you bring in less than that, but in all the restaurants I worked over several years I never saw that happen once. If you sell real estate, you don't have a minimum salary usually (sometimes a draw), I guess my point is not every job, including many high paying ones, do not have stable base salaries and shouldn't be forced to either. Its a choice to work a job for pay whatever it may be, or the risk that comes with tips, commissions, etc.

    I never said there was shame in working at Walmart.
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    Here's the thing that blows my mind. When Conservatives talk about wanting to reduce government spending and benefits to help support poor people, the first thing that comes up is "Well they need to get a job!" Okay, fair enough, but then when we point out that lots of people have full time jobs that don't pay enough to keep them off government benefits, the answer is "Well jeez, they shouldn't expect to be able to actually live off the money they make from that job!" Do you see the disconnect? The truth is, not everyone is going to go to college or go to trade school, or become a manager. And that's actually an okay thing. Not everyone can be lawyers and doctors and managers (and I don't mean that in a "well la-di-da, not EVERYONE can be a lawyer Ms. Fancypants" kind of way LOL) I mean that our economy couldn't support it. The truth is, if you want to continue having WalMarts and McDonalds and places like that, you need people who are willing to work in the service industry. I think especially in our current economy, we tend to think of it like WalMart (and other employers of that same ilk) are doing people a big favor, like "Well they should just be grateful to have ANY job." But let's not forget that it's a two way street, and WalMart needs to also have employees in order to keep their stores up and running. If everyone went to trade school and moved on from their WalMart job (even assuming that was possible for all people) then WalMart would be severely understaffed.

    I've worked in retail. It's not glamorous but it is honest work, and it is necessary to the structure of our economy. We need people in all levels and positions. There is absolutely no reason that people who work full time for a company that NETS $17BB a year should have to go without basic necessities. Assuming you agree with that, then you can either support companies paying their employees a living wage, or you can support the government (i.e. us tax payers) making up the difference in government aid. What you can't do (if you want to be logically consistent) is be opposed to both companies paying a living wage AND people receiving assistance. That is not a fair or logical stance to take.

    On a side note, I am genuinely curious how politicians like Paul Ryan are going to reconcile their political positions towards the working poor towards the positions being put out by the new Pope. Those of you that are Catholic, please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Pope supposed to be infallable - meaning that basically from Gods mouth to the Pope's ears? I am sincerely sincerely curious if this new Pope will change things, at least for openly Catholic Conservatives who have based their political stance on their faith in the Past (again, like Paul Ryan.) And for the record, I am becoming a fan of the new Pope. I mean, we don't see eye to eye on all things, but in my (humble!) opinion, he's a very good man who is doing admirable things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post

    On a side note, I am genuinely curious how politicians like Paul Ryan are going to reconcile their political positions towards the working poor towards the positions being put out by the new Pope. Those of you that are Catholic, please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Pope supposed to be infallable - meaning that basically from Gods mouth to the Pope's ears? I am sincerely sincerely curious if this new Pope will change things, at least for openly Catholic Conservatives who have based their political stance on their faith in the Past (again, like Paul Ryan.) And for the record, I am becoming a fan of the new Pope. I mean, we don't see eye to eye on all things, but in my (humble!) opinion, he's a very good man who is doing admirable things.

    Pope Francis 'Evangelii Gaudium' Calls For Renewal Of Roman Catholic Church, Attacks 'Idolatry Of Money'
    I could be wrong, but I do not believe Paul Ryan is Catholic. There is about as much in common with my Religion and Catholics as there is in my religion and Muslims. Nothing against either, just pointing out they are not the same, even if they both call themselves Christian.

    ETA - The fact that Mitt Romney was a Mormon actually hurt him in the last election among many people I know.

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