Where is the media outrage? Hurricane Sandy..

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Originally Posted by myyams

Based on the efforts of a few articles I've posted, I think there is no reason for outrage. Outrage is appropriate when efforts aren't being made, when situations are worsening and efforts aren't being made, or when conditions aren't improving ---- and they could have improved by a point.

I don't think this is the case here. There is a collaboration of efforts. The situation is really, really tough there due to the ongoing weather events. I'd say that weather is the one thing that is the hindrance IF I had to identify anything as a hindrance.

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It is a good point in some areas, like Brooklyn that just got a bunch of snow. But I would think coast guard especially is trained for this.

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Originally Posted by Rivergallery

It is a good point in some areas, like Brooklyn that just got a bunch of snow. But I would think coast guard especially is trained for this.

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I am sure all departments are trained to deal in their way with disaster. But, when there are no resources, snow, rain, cold battering down day after day, probably undoing what's been done, I'd say that all are probably putting forth their best efforts in this situation. Roads are destroyed, can't drive through some due to rubbage. And as they pick up, more gets put down. As electricity was restored, more went out. I'm not sure from where outrage should come from or why.

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Originally Posted by myyams

I am sure all departments are trained to deal in their way with disaster. But, when there are no resources, snow, rain, cold battering down day after day, probably undoing what's been done, I'd say that all are probably putting forth their best efforts in this situation. Roads are destroyed, can't drive through some due to rubbage. And as they pick up, more gets put down. As electricity was restored, more went out. I'm not sure from where outrage should come from or why.

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Didn't they have the same issues with Katrina? But the media and populous' view was very different. Those complaining got front and center coverage back then. Now it is a sideline and brushed aside, as was shown in the article previously posted.

I don't have TV as such in our home, but I have seen on cnn.com many videos of those in need complaining. I feel their pain. I would say that there is likely a system of triage. I don't mean that each person isn't important, but that some are better off than others. Cutting trees down has a lower priority than not having electricity, having no food, being cold, wet, in danger of injury from the elements. I know with more winds, damages and loss can absolutely come. But save people who are still lost and unaccounted for vs tree cutting?? Seems like the community has to do their part as well, and I do really see that happening too. Everyone's pitching in and doing what needs to be done on all sorts of levels. Of course no effort could be perfect because it's only all good when it's all gone. So I don't really see a need to create more negativity. Efforts are underway and I think people feel that.

I don't equate outrage as a reflection of anything other than outrage. Outrage does nothing but create more negative feelings. I think people in difficulty need more positive energy. Outrage can spark more chaos and crime, from feelings of hopelessness and helplessness, and maybe a need to take the law in their own hands and handle things. I don't really think anything GOOD can come out of it. I am not sure why this debate exists because of lack of it. Why would we want it?

There are many similarities between Katrina and Sandy, the monetary damage is more with Katrina as was the incredible numbers of loss of life. There is no comparison in this way. There were more days that passed by after the storm passed that the president didn't visit LA. You can look over the similarities and dissimilarities here: REF

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Originally Posted by Rivergallery

Where was Obama "right on top of it"? I haven't seen a single thing the federal government has done. SO no "everything possible" isn't being done. Do you have news stories where the federal government is doing something?

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Thank you myyams (sorry, don't know your name!) for posting those. I've seen a ton of help going that way too. Some of my family in PA have been called for work on power lines and cable lines, etc.

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Originally Posted by Rivergallery

That is great, that they have all the money going to these organizations, but as far as the news I have gotten from people that live there, they have neither seen nor heard from anyone from the federal government. In fact a childhood friend's husband went down to NJ to cut trees with a group of their guy friends.. The pictures are horrible, it is just them cutting and cutting.. TONS of trees down everywhere, this is just the last few days.. so No government is helping get it out of the way, local people are. And it is the same thing I saw when looking at cleanup all over, mayors are saying no federal help is coming. Or it is very limited.. Seems the same amount or LESS is coming than came during Katrina, and everyone was outraged then but not now. I do understand it isn't as bad, but heck even the flooding of the 9/11 site should have brought in massive media coverage.

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I am SOOO not saying that this isn't a horrible situation. Many people have lost everything they have. It's horrible, and my heart goes out to everyone affected. I have people down that way... it's actually only about 3.5 hours from here. My stepdad's family is there.
What I am saying is that it in no way compares to the horrific suffering that Katrina brought.

Government may pick up hotel tab for 34,000 Sandy victims - Yahoo! News

As for military actually being on site to help, if you just google government help for sandy, you get tons of pics of airmen and national guard and army all helping and doing what they can.

I'm not exactly sure what you want here... goverment could not have stopped the trees from falling or the wind from blowing... the criticism for bush was on response after, not the devastation of the storm while it happened.

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Originally Posted by myyams

I don't equate outrage as a reflection of anything other than outrage. Outrage does nothing but create more negative feelings. I think people in difficulty need more positive energy. Outrage can spark more chaos and crime, from feelings of hopelessness and helplessness, and maybe a need to take the law in their own hands and handle things. I don't really think anything GOOD can come out of it. I am not sure why this debate exists because of lack of it. Why would we want it?

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The outrage comes from the media was all over every mistake Bush made, but completely ignores anything less than glamours on Obama's part.

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Originally Posted by smsturner

As for military actually being on site to help, if you just google government help for sandy, you get tons of pics of airmen and national guard and army all helping and doing what they can.

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If you remember back to the voting debate I said that my BIL was there as part of the National Guard so I can attest to the fact that they are there. I can also attest to first hand accounts that everything is very disorganized, like no one was co-coordinating all of the relief effort. There again, I do not think that is the Federal Governments job, but the State job so not Obama's fault.

It is almost as if some people would like to make issues that are not there. I think the media isnt making outrage because there is nothing to be outraged about here.

People picked on Bush a lot because he was such an easy target with all of his mishaps, misquotes, and misunderstandings. It is easy to hone in on a person who is such a spectacle by himself.

He might have had some good qualities but they were overshadowed by all of his other teally bad ones.

I think that there is just no issues but they are looking for one.

What else could they do, it was declared a disaster area almost immediately. FEMA was already there and ready to roll. They had 1500 workers out the day after.

It's hard to be perfect when concerning the weather. Up until very close to when the storm hit it was supposed to hit New England much harder and it turned. We were very well prepared here because models showed that we were supposed to get what NY and NJ got and we didn't. Local crews had shelters ready, out of area electric and gas crew members were set up. Even here in Mass. local electric companies were pulling others in and staffing appropriately to respond to outages ASAP.

Most agencies are declaringtheir response to be a good response.

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Originally Posted by myyams

It is almost as if some people would like to make issues that are not there.

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Definitely.

Also FEMA has learned lessons from Katrina and even from Japanese preparation for earthquakes. They sent a large delegation over to Japan after 3/11 to see how they could improve their emergency response and it seems they did.