Purposefully leaving out that abortion does HARM to the fetus. But an abortion can kill you.. a complication of the surgery.. but that is the same with any I think.. IE there are risks with gallbladder surgery.. knee surgery.. HOWEVER most are to improve our physical bodies..
ETA- There is an increase is breast cancer noted in some studies due to abortion.. never looked into the scientific theory of it all to see how valid it was.
Last edited by Rivergallery; 07-17-2013 at 07:59 PM.
DH-Aug 30th 1997 Josiah - 6/3/02 Isaac 7/31/03
I know what you mean Kim but I don't think we are looking at "harm" in the same way.
I'm looking at harm in the way that it takes away function so that you cannot work your body in the way it was intended
Granted, if I decided to have sex change then I don't have usage of my vagina as it is now but I can be a functional male.
Mom to Elizabeth (5) and Corinne (3)
ETA: This is what I mean....we are being very liberal with the word functioning for someone who has gender identity issues. For the average person, it would not be an acceptable level of function. Much like this woman, but to her, it is an acceptable level.
ETA again: I think what this comes down to is a social acceptance issue and nothing more. We are far more accepting of a man who wants to be a woman, or vice versa, and removing their biological functions and replacing them with an inadequate substitute because we are more sympathetic to their cause and plight.
If this woman has a true psychological disorder, it may not be something she can just 'get over'. I did a brief lookup on it and it seems to be an extension a lot of the time of this psychological perception that your extremities are not your own. I didn't see anything very 'cure like' mentioned either.
I include myself in that....I feel far more sympathetic to a transgender person then someone who wants to be an amputee. But logically, I am struggling with finding a true differentiation.
Last edited by KimPossible; 07-17-2013 at 08:19 PM.
You are probably right. I don't think she can get over it but I think it's much more harmful overall. To her, to society.
RG~It's true that we are ending function with AS so I'm not sure why I'm okay with it then.
I think I need to just go to bed. I normally work from home and had to commute today and go into the office tomorrow and Friday. Coupled with the fact that my kids hate bed times in the summer....is one tired mom.
Mom to Elizabeth (5) and Corinne (3)
I have some serious problems with this woman. I am actually a bit offended by her desires.
DH currently cannot walk and has been wheelchair bound. He is doing everything possible to get out of that chair! People with real physical disabilities don't want them. I feel like her desire is belittling. Disability isn't something that you want.
I also don't like that she is perfectly happy having her wife turn into her fulltime caregiver and maid. Her wife now has to do all the chores and housework because she don't want legs? I'm sorry, honestly, this woman sounds lazy. I would not be willing to be a caregiver to someone like that. Caregiving can suck the life right out of you and if your spouse is doing it on purpose... No. I would probably leave.
Also, how does she plan to live? She will need money. If she doesn't have money for the surgery how will she get care, food etc? Is she planning to have her wife cover it? Is she planning on going on disability benefits? Cause if she is, that isn't ok either. As a taxpayer I have no desire to pay for someone who is disabled on purpose!
So, no, no, no, no!
I wonder if she also understands the problems that can come with being wheelchair bound, bed sores that turn into absesses, infections that come from catheterizing herself, etc. I think a surgeon that is willing to perform this surgery is unethical and deserves to have his licence to practice revoked
Molly, Morgan, Mia and Carson
If someone with anorexia walks into a dr and demands diet pills or a lap band do you think that a dr is going to give them to them? If someone with alcoholism wants a vodka IV do you think that they have the right to demand it? If I wanted my arm amputated because it was ugly, or because I was deeply into self harm/cutting, you think a DR should do that? No way. A Dr's role is not to enable disordered thinking, its to help a disordered person get better. If this woman wants to roll around in her wheel chair and play at being disabled that is on her. If she wants to actually throw herself off a roof or something she has that right. She does not have the right to make a medical dr, whose role is to help, DISable her for life, permanently.
She needs a psychiatrist, not a surgeon.