If a friend of mine who grew up here wanted to hang himself from hooks in his chest, then yes, I would send him to a psychiatrist with much haste.
Breast reduction isn't always done for health reasons, mole removal the same. Often it's cosmetic. I have no issue with that.
Also, I agree with what Kim posted.
BDD is also a disorder (and very common in people with eating disorders~ they may weigh 70 lbs but see someone overweight when they look in the mirror. No Dr would help them lose more weight or give them diet pills because they "see" a fat person in the mirror). I think that anyone who saw MJ's mutilated face would argue that the Dr's who continued to operate on him were on thin ethical ground. People can get addicted to anything ~ tanning, surgery, tattoos etc.
Psychology revolves around sociology. What social group(s) you are in determine what is deemed a psychological illness or not. This isn't the same with physical illnesses.. those are more cut and dried though the more one digs the more you can see psychological connections to physical issues.. ie Depression and IBS for example.
I totally agree that breast reduction and mole removal is sometimes cosmetic. It is also the reverse of what we are discussing.. the people doing these surgeries are usually doing them for what society views as positive.. either health or to look "better". Leaving vanity aside. Removing ones limbs is looked as negative in our society.
Not sure you are understanding me.. but we all live within a social construct.. and if we are to say my body is mine and no one can tell me what to do with it.. then we should stick to it.. and allow drugs abuse.. though not the violence that might be attributed to it etc. This is the stand (with drug use) that I think Portugal takes.
It may seem to some that I am jumping all over the place.. but I am trying to use concrete examples to show ONE point...
Societal Norms control Psychological diagnosis.
And that Societal Norm can be based on many things.
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Society might view breast reduction as negative....depends on your pov.
I think you're trying to draw absolutes and I don't believe life works that way. Philosophically, generally, I think what someone does with their body is their own business. I don't think we should be able to round up drug addicts and force them into withdrawal, but when I have a friend abusing a substance, I step up and do what I can (if anything) to intervene or help.
I think there are exceptions to everything, and subtleties to everything.
But removing one's limbs isn't just "looked at as negative". It's the desired action of a mentally ill person, which immediately puts it in another category. It's not some whimsical trend.
This situation reminds me of a situation within the Deaf community. To normal people outside the Deaf community being deaf is considered a handicap and an unfortunate situation. Within the Deaf community (To many, not all) it is considered normal and a good thing. I personally know someone who let their child's ear infections go so they would become deaf like them. (Which I do think is abuse) There also is a lot of protest against cochlear implant because of wanting to stay Deaf (among other reasons). I do not think everyone that wants to stay Deaf because that is how they identify has a disorder. I am more familiar with this in the Hearing/Deaf sense. I do know people who have wanted the nerves in their ears severed so they can not hear at all. I think in the sense that they would rather either be Hearing or Deaf but not Hard of Hearing.
I do think if you want to become a paraplegic you have some serious issues. I do not know if it would be different if you lived on an island where everyone there was a paraplegic if you would feel differently or not.
Psychology and Sociology overlap, one is not the child product of the other.
Last edited by KimPossible; 07-18-2013 at 01:33 PM.
I don't understand how you are trying to tie societal norms to this woman. Can you think of a society where being entirely paralyzed is the norm? No one of rational mind could look at this desire- to entirely disable oneself- as a positive.
Trying to connect it to mole removal or abortion just isn't making sense. You are way over thinking this.
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