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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    I'm confused... Why does it matter if your brother is Atheist and his children never go to church? I feel like that part could have been left out of the story. Sounds judgmental to me but maybe I'm reading too much into it.
    Seems relevant to me. If children never go to church they aren't taught how to behave in church are they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Seems relevant to me. If children never go to church they aren't taught how to behave in church are they?
    This is how i took it too honestly. I didn't see it as some sort of strike against athiests. Kind of like "We went to the ball field to play a game of kickball, and little jane never played kickball before and she ran around the bases backwards"

    Great example though of how someone could say something with no ill intent and it could be accidentally interpreted as offensive to someone else.
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    I don't think so. Just because one is an atheist doesn't mean that ones child has never been to a quiet place before (a museum, a ballet, a movie etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I don't think so. Just because one is an atheist doesn't mean that ones child has never been to a quiet place before (a museum, a ballet, a movie etc).
    That wasn't what her story was about. It was about them going to church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I don't think so. Just because one is an atheist doesn't mean that ones child has never been to a quiet place before (a museum, a ballet, a movie etc).
    And always yells "f**k" there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I don't think so. Just because one is an atheist doesn't mean that ones child has never been to a quiet place before (a museum, a ballet, a movie etc).
    To me it was a matter of not setting all expectations. She didn't say "the kid is an athiest and therefore doesn't know how to be quiet" If the kid doesn't go to church, perhaps they don't know church is one of those places you are supposed to behave in a certain way and the expectation was not set by the parents.

    In fact...maybe the father said "Hey, you need to be quiet" but it never occurred to him to have to say "Hey, and you don't say f*ck in church either", which was the actual point of the story IMO.

    Anywho...to me it was a simple explanation as to why they may not have known how to behave in church. Not that they don't know how to behave in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    And always yells "f**k" there.
    Oh come on...you're kid has never surprised you with something that they shouldn't have done...and you didn't think to address specifically beforehand?

    I think we are being overly harsh here.

    I mean...i like athiests, and consider being one some days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Oh come on...you're kid has never surprised you with something that they shouldn't have done...and you didn't think to address specifically beforehand?

    I think we are being overly harsh here.

    I mean...i like athiests, and consider being one some days.
    I was joking, actually.

    But bottom line, kids aren't supposed to yell that word anywhere.

    Famous family story: my cousin had a British accent when he was very little, he spent his first few years in England. When they moved back to Toronto, his parents took him to see The Nutcracker, the ballet, and there's a part where the two marionettes (both ballet dancers) are lifted up and carried out, and the ballerina's open legs are facing the audience. She is holding her body stiff and motionless to look like a marionette.

    My cousin called out, oh so loud & oh so clear, in his adorable British accent: "But Mummy, where's her vagina?"

    It almost brought the house down.

    Anyway, this happens everywhere, whether or not the kids are used to being in those places. I wasn't offended. I am like my Mom was; I personally find those things very amusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I was joking, actually.

    But bottom line, kids aren't supposed to yell that word anywhere.
    Well yes i agree with you there, but i know we have had debates here a long time ago with parents totally defending the fact that they let their kids swear, use the F word, etc. It always baffled me because the argument was "The word only has meaning if you give it meaning" or "its just words" which I always thought was an absurd argument because words only have meaning if we universally define their meaning..and swear words are just that...swear words. I can think of one person in particular who used this argument each time this debate came up...but i can't for the life of me remember her name. She lived in california, had a son....used to talk about how she lived in a very expensive area. Her house was almost eaten by a forest fire once. What.was.her.name!! Anyway...i digress.

    Famous family story: my cousin had a British accent when he was very little, he spent his first few years in England. When they moved back to Toronto, his parents took him to see The Nutcracker, the ballet, and there's a part where the two marionettes (both ballet dancers) are lifted up and carried out, and the ballerina's open legs are facing the audience. She is holding her body stiff and motionless to look like a marionette.

    My cousin called out, oh so loud & oh so clear, in his adorable British accent: "But Mummy, where's her vagina?"

    It almost brought the house down.

    Anyway, this happens everywhere, whether or not the kids are used to being in those places. I wasn't offended. I am like my Mom was; I personally find those things very amusing.
    LOL that is a funny story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    To me it was a matter of not setting all expectations. She didn't say "the kid is an athiest and therefore doesn't know how to be quiet" If the kid doesn't go to church, perhaps they don't know church is one of those places you are supposed to behave in a certain way and the expectation was not set by the parents.

    In fact...maybe the father said "Hey, you need to be quiet" but it never occurred to him to have to say "Hey, and you don't say f*ck in church either", which was the actual point of the story IMO.

    Anywho...to me it was a simple explanation as to why they may not have known how to behave in church. Not that they don't know how to behave in general.
    I would hope that all parents of any religious denom or of no religious denom teach their kid not to shout the F word, no? and isn't it just something that all parents teach their kids.....in quiet places we are quiet? I mean.......I guess that I didn't think that my daughter was super special this year when she was quiet at the ballet just because she had never been to the ballet and she was quiet. I wouldn't have described her as "my non ballet going daughter" if I was telling a story about her cursing at the ballet.
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