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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    I do not think it matters a WHIT.. that is why I am pointing out the craziness of all the white vs black talk. If someone was walking around my neighborhood.. sure as anything I would figure out what was up.. I discussed it today with my dh and a friend who is a trained cop.. they would load their weapons.. call 911 and head after him.. with a vehicle.. So yes. it would be a common reaction.. BOTH said they would have shot the boy if he was beating their head against the concrete..
    So, just to be clear....you live in SUCH a small town that if anyone comes to visit anyone who lives there, the whole town knows about it? So let's say Jimmy, 3 streets over, has his nephew come visit for a couple of days. And let's say that nephew went out for a walk in the evening (in a hoody no less!!) to get a slurpee from 7-11. You or your husband would see this boy walking on the street, would grab your gun and go out and question him??? I don't even know what to do with that. I have no issue with people owning guns but I'm sorry, this whole scenario is just crazy. And THANK GOD I don't live near you or I would fear for the life of anyone who comes to visit me without a town meeting first to introduce him/her to everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Those trained in firearms.. don't "brandish" their weapons without cause. Not sure I implied that.. just because someone is carrying one.. doesn't mean they are waving it around at people.. not sure if that is what you are implying but wanted to clear that up..
    Oh.. and NO one passes by our home.. we are the end of a road in a more rural area.
    Whether or not people pass by your home on a regular basis is really irrelevant. You implied by your first statement (quoted in my previous post) that what GZ did was perfectly reasonable and that you and your husband and your cop-friend-dude would do the same. GZ didn't live on a rural road where no "strangers" ever passed. He lived in a regular community where I'm quite sure he would often see people he didn't know (I mean, isn't it fair to assume that it's not unusual for people to have guests/visitors come stay in their home from time to time???) To make a reasonable assessment of "what you would do", you need to consider similar circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SID081108 View Post
    So, just to be clear....you live in SUCH a small town that if anyone comes to visit anyone who lives there, the whole town knows about it? So let's say Jimmy, 3 streets over, has his nephew come visit for a couple of days. And let's say that nephew went out for a walk in the evening (in a hoody no less!!) to get a slurpee from 7-11. You or your husband would see this boy walking on the street, would grab your gun and go out and question him??? I don't even know what to do with that. I have no issue with people owning guns but I'm sorry, this whole scenario is just crazy. And THANK GOD I don't live near you or I would fear for the life of anyone who comes to visit me without a town meeting first to introduce him/her to everyone.
    Well to be fair, i'm not picturing '3 streets over', streets ideal for walking from one to the next or 7-11s. There are roads around here that if i lived on them i really would be thinking "Who is that and why is he on my street" if i saw someone i didn't recognize.

    But I reiterate that scenario doesn't necessitate a gun....thats an choice made by individuals.

    As it is, the dirt road i live on, which gains a decent amount of stranger traffic due to some local hiking and whatnot...when strange cars sit on the road outside my house, i don't like it. If they sat their long enough, i may go outside to see whats going on. I don't have an issue with simply being suspicious of strangers...people really do live in places where it simply is unusual to have anyone you don't know coming by your house.

    ETA: and where i live is very safe....but that can really heighten your awareness when something feels out of the ordinary.
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    BUt again, this is where we have to get back to HIS neighborhood and not ours. It just doesn't make sense to me to judge "what I would do" based on what is the norm where I live. That neighborhood was anything but rural, and as I said I would be willing to bed there were regularly people walking around who did not live there. (as is the case in pretty much any city/suburban neighborhood.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SID081108 View Post
    BUt again, this is where we have to get back to HIS neighborhood and not ours. It just doesn't make sense to me to judge "what I would do" based on what is the norm where I live. That neighborhood was anything but rural, and as I said I would be willing to bed there were regularly people walking around who did not live there. (as is the case in pretty much any city/suburban neighborhood.)
    Right, my point is, the choice to pack your gun and follow someone has nothing to do with rural or urban, there are people in both places who would handle that situation a variety of ways.
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    I do not have a gun (Nor do I wish to), but is it possible that what Rachel meant was that someone that has a gun on them all or most of the time would still have it with them when going to a friends house? It also might be that there would be a problem on the way somewhere, not at the actual destination. While not something I would do, I do not think it is freakishly unusual for someone with a CC permit to have a gun on them while they are out and about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SID081108 View Post
    So, just to be clear....you live in SUCH a small town that if anyone comes to visit anyone who lives there, the whole town knows about it? So let's say Jimmy, 3 streets over, has his nephew come visit for a couple of days. And let's say that nephew went out for a walk in the evening (in a hoody no less!!) to get a slurpee from 7-11. You or your husband would see this boy walking on the street, would grab your gun and go out and question him??? I don't even know what to do with that. I have no issue with people owning guns but I'm sorry, this whole scenario is just crazy. And THANK GOD I don't live near you or I would fear for the life of anyone who comes to visit me without a town meeting first to introduce him/her to everyone.
    Valid question.. we do not even live in a town. I do know who is coming to visit my neighbors.. nearly all the time.. I know who they are, yes.. three streets over.. no.. we are rural three streets over is not in my neighborhood it would be about 3 miles away or more.
    I am glad I live where I do.. with a husband who is gone some nights my neighbors also know who passes by their home.. we are at the end of the road. And I have gotten phone calls from them to check on me. When we first came to see the house, we were "greeted" by our now neighbors with flashlights in our eyes asking who we were, and what we were doing, in a harsh.. might seem scary tone.. and since I know them now.. they had guns yes. I love where I live.. neighbors are nosey and protective of each other.. my kids can walk into any home on the road safely if they see someone they do not know they know who is safe. They notice when we are not home.. many of the men share tools and come into each others hangers and borrow things when they are not home etc. We keep each other safe.. so it is safe.. We do not have to rely on the police to get out here when there is an emergency. In fact our neighbors are usually always first on the scene.. soooo glad I have ones I can rely on and trust. From drug addict, registered sex offenders, to heart attacks, strokes and death we have had it in our neighborhood and we have been able to deal with it safely... "running around brandishing guns" -- Not sure where you guys come up with these things.. seriously.

    We all live in different societal groups within larger societies.. These micro societies are not "wrong" just different. If your community isn't a logging, hunting community with the majority of men that CC, with shops, and raising animals.. then it will look different than mine. .

    We do not even have a stop light, we have ONE gas station, that isn't even in my "town" not sure this can be qualified as a "town" our zipcode is for a larger "town" with approx 5k people. But we are a 25min drive to the city limits. We have two markets.. in two separate little communities. It is very spread out.. but I live in a closer community as it is at an airport. (grass field).


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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I do not have a gun (Nor do I wish to), but is it possible that what Rachel meant was that someone that has a gun on them all or most of the time would still have it with them when going to a friends house? It also might be that there would be a problem on the way somewhere, not at the actual destination. While not something I would do, I do not think it is freakishly unusual for someone with a CC permit to have a gun on them while they are out and about.
    This is totally the case. The majority I dare say of my husbands friends CC and have a piece on them all the time.. while working or socializing.. These are the majority of "our" friends.. they are males. Most of the females I know do not CC though some do.. But I also have pacifist beechy amish friends that wouldn't use a gun except to put an animal down.. which they have had to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I do not have a gun (Nor do I wish to), but is it possible that what Rachel meant was that someone that has a gun on them all or most of the time would still have it with them when going to a friends house? It also might be that there would be a problem on the way somewhere, not at the actual destination. While not something I would do, I do not think it is freakishly unusual for someone with a CC permit to have a gun on them while they are out and about.
    This is totally the case. The majority I dare say of my husbands friends CC and have a piece on them all the time.. while working or socializing.. These are the majority of "our" friends.. they are males. Most of the females I know do not CC though some do.. But I also have pacifist beechy amish friends that wouldn't use a gun except to put an animal down.. which they have had to do. I do not know of a single person that hasn't fired a firearm. I don't know of a single person in my close friends that do not own firearms.. even my Beechy Amish friends own firearms.

    Let's put it this way.. can you consider yourself camping in the woods.. would you pack? even though you might not at home?
    What if you were way out in the Alaskan wilderness?
    See.. if you can follow my train of thought you will notice.. different situations and societies are different.

    Do the tribal warriors/hunters in 3rd world African leave their bows and arrows at home? What do they do when someone they do not know approaches their community? Ignore them?
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    @Rachel - So by your reasoning, I suppose my house in the 'burbs is more "dangerous" than yours since it is a more urban area (part of a greater metro area of about 2.6MM people) and there are strangers in our neighborhood (visiting neighbors, workers there to do work on houses and yards, delivery people, et cetera)all of the time, and my neighbors and I would never dream of interogating each other with flashlights to the eyes (I just can't even....) And yet we still don't feel the need to carry firearms on us wherever we go. Interesting.
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