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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    No I think he was angry that some creepy ****** cracker was following him and wanted to teach him a lesson. There are multiple videos on the internet of Martin boxing and fighting. I think he was young and impulsive and thought Zimmerman was a smaller and easy target. It makes absolutely no sense for Zimmerman to throw the first punch when he had a gun. All he had to do was back away and pull it out and hold him at gunpoint til the police got there.
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    That is the advantage of having a gun. Most of the time you don't have to use it all you have to do is take it out and show it and people will do what you want. You don't think GZ was scared following someone he thought was a burgler? But no you think that he ran and tackled someone bigger than him in the dark when he had a gun at his side, instead of just pulling out and telling him to stay until the police arrived that he had already called. That would be pretty stupid.
    Gloria, what you are describing is false imprisonment (and I'm sure other laws). He was a minor in a place he had a legal right to be (he was a guest of a resident). Zimmerman did not witness him commit any crime nor was there any evidence of a crime being reported shortly before seeing TM in the area. *If* Zimmerman is thinking TM is trespassing and that's enough to hold him, gunpoint is a bit much. Especially when trespassing would just be a misdemeanor. Don't you think?

    But you're right that it would have been better for all involved. GZ would get a prison sentence for false imprisonment, TM, his dad, and/or the girlfriend would win a huge civil suit against GZ, and most importantly, TM would still be alive.

    Unless of course TM also had a gun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Except he had to get back to his truck first before he could wait in it.
    Or stay there in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Gloria, what you are describing is false imprisonment (and I'm sure other laws). He was a minor in a place he had a legal right to be (he was a guest of a resident). Zimmerman did not witness him commit any crime nor was there any evidence of a crime being reported shortly before seeing TM in the area. *If* Zimmerman is thinking TM is trespassing and that's enough to hold him, gunpoint is a bit much. Especially when trespassing would just be a misdemeanor. Don't you think?
    Your theory is that either way GZ would have broken the law. If I was up against someone bigger than me in the dark (no way to tell someone 6' tall is a minor in the dark) I think I would much more likely break a false imprisonment law than an assault law. Just seems a little bit of a stretch for someone who is following someone because he thinks they are breaking the law to committing assault himself. So you think gunpoint is a bit much but tackling someone isn't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    That is the advantage of having a gun. Most of the time you don't have to use it all you have to do is take it out and show it and people will do what you want. You don't think GZ was scared following someone he thought was a burgler? But no you think that he ran and tackled someone bigger than him in the dark when he had a gun at his side, instead of just pulling out and telling him to stay until the police arrived that he had already called. That would be pretty stupid.
    If he was scared why was he following him in the first place???? Would YOU follow someone on foot in the dark that you were scared of, especially after placing a call to the police (and after they told you not to?) I sure wouldn't.

    I love that we're arguing about this, like what would be the most sensible course of action for GZ to take? Punch hjim? Tackle him? Pull a gun on him? Nevermind the fact that no matter which of those he did, he would be DEAD WRONG. He was straight up in the wrong that night. TM was minding his own business in an area that he had a legal right to be in until GZ decided that he looked suspicious and decided to play cops and robbers.

    It grosses me out that "one of the advantages of having a gun" is that if you "take it out and show it...people will do what you want." Even people who had no reason to be threatened with a gun in the first place. Ew.
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    Is anyone else troubled by the thought that because someone has a gun they can make someone do whatever. It blows my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Is anyone else troubled by the thought that because someone has a gun they can make someone do whatever. It blows my mind.
    Really? Why do you think criminals use them so much? I would much rather a gun be in the hands of someone who is trying to protect others or themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    If he was scared why was he following him in the first place???? Would YOU follow someone on foot in the dark that you were scared of, especially after placing a call to the police (and after they told you not to?) I sure wouldn't.
    I wouldn't either. That is why I don't think GZ did. He stayed up along the sidewalk where it was lighted and took the route that he stated he did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I love that we're arguing about this, like what would be the most sensible course of action for GZ to take? Punch hjim? Tackle him? Pull a gun on him? Nevermind the fact that no matter which of those he did, he would be DEAD WRONG. He was straight up in the wrong that night. TM was minding his own business in an area that he had a legal right to be in until GZ decided that he looked suspicious and decided to play cops and robbers.
    No the sensible thing to do would be to look and see if he could tell which way he went like the dispatcher asked him to, and then walk back to his truck as he said he was doing. That is what I think happened. As I said there is absolutely no proof that isn't what happened, everything else is pure conjecture. Which is why there is PLENTY of reasonable doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I wouldn't either. That is why I don't think GZ did. He stayed up along the sidewalk where it was lighted and took the route that he stated he did.



    No the sensible thing to do would be to look and see if he could tell which way he went like the dispatcher asked him to, and then walk back to his truck as he said he was doing. That is what I think happened. As I said there is absolutely no proof that isn't what happened, everything else is pure conjecture. Which is why there is PLENTY of reasonable doubt.
    He was in his car and then got out of his car and started running after TM. It's on the 911 call that GZ made. There is no doubt about that, they have it on tape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    He was in his car and then got out of his car and started running after TM. It's on the 911 call that GZ made. There is no doubt about that, they have it on tape.
    Running? No he was never running after TM on the 911 call. I think maybe you should read the transcript again. He tells the dispatcher that TM ran, not that he ran after him. At the time the dispatcher hung up he said the lost TM and was walking back to meet the police.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Running? No he was never running after TM on the 911 call. I think maybe you should read the transcript again. He tells the dispatcher that TM ran, not that he ran after him. At the time the dispatcher hung up he said the lost TM and was walking back to meet the police.




    Transcript of George Zimmerman's Call to the Police
    If you actually listen to the tape, the sounds of movement and wind make it sound like he's moving quickly (i.e. running or walking quickly.) And regardless of if he is running or not, the point is that you said there wasn't any evidence that he followed TM. Yes there is. The evidence is in the fact that he was sitting in his car, and then he got out of his car and started walking, running, or skipping, or whatever, after TM. He even says he's following him. It's on tape. He followed him.
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