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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    You think they could have found another place....exactly what is that based on. Your gut?

    As for the manor they did it in...they tried to make it as purposeful as one could. They provided an educational lesson to those who wanted it and they fed it to one of its natural predators.

    To do nothing at all with it would have been far more disrespectful. It would be no better than trophy hunting.
    The OP stated that there are other zoos that would have taken the giraffe. Our zoo is on a waiting list to get a giraffe. If the zoo died naturally or because there was a good reason I would not have a problem with it being fed to the lion in a more discrete way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    The OP stated that there are other zoos that would have taken the giraffe. Our zoo is on a waiting list to get a giraffe. If the zoo died naturally or because there was a good reason I would not have a problem with it being fed to the lion in a more discrete way.
    I can't make you read the details i provided. The reasons those offers were passed over were addressed in several of the things i linked to and i stated them myself.

    And as the last article highlights very well....this is not that unique of a situation. This is the kind of stuff that happens in zoos. And i guarantee you that that hardly anything those lions eat on a regular basis died of natural causes...just like pretty much nothing you eat dies of natural causes. You can have more personal affection towards some animals more than others, but intrinsically i don't think you can argue it is deserving of something that another animal isn't.

    Either you are okay with the circle of life and the killing of animals to feed other animals or you aren't. *shrug*

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    The reasons those offers were passed over are bogus. The EAZA isn't the only zoological membership group that doesn't allow zoos to sell animals to collectors or circuses, and to say that the zoos in Sweden or Dublin would do so is just bogus. PETA is claiming that the Swedish zoo says it never said it couldn't promise that the giraffe would never be sold. The Dublin Zoo says it wasn't even offered the giraffe & only found out from the outrage about it, which debunks Copenhagen's claim that it looked at all European zoos. Neither of those zoos have a giraffe with the same genetics as Marius. Yes, the Yorkshire zoo already has a giraffe that does match Marius, but it has space available, it was willing to take Marius, and it has the capacity to keep the two genetically similar giraffes separate. The argument that placing Marius there *might* have led the Yorkshire zoo to be in the same position later is bogus. One of its own giraffes might have died in the meantime. Or maybe by then another zoo would have space for Marius or the other giraffe. We don't know what might have happened but in either of those scenarios Marius would have more years of a decent life.

    This whole situation seems to me like a bunch of toddlers fighting over a toy, and when one is told he can't play with it, he'd rather break it than let another toddler play with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    And as the last article highlights very well....this is not that unique of a situation. This is the kind of stuff that happens in zoos. And i guarantee you that that hardly anything those lions eat on a regular basis died of natural causes...just like pretty much nothing you eat dies of natural causes. You can have more personal affection towards some animals more than others, but intrinsically i don't think you can argue it is deserving of something that another animal isn't.

    Either you are okay with the circle of life and the killing of animals to feed other animals or you aren't. *shrug*
    I do not have a problem with animals eating animals. I do have a problem with it being done in the way it was done.

    Can I ask, are you ok with eating cat, dog, or horse? Would you be ok with it being fed to another animal for sport or to raise tickets? That is just not on the same level to me as an animal that is killed for meat and delivered already looking like meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I do not have a problem with animals eating animals. I do have a problem with it being done in the way it was done.

    Can I ask, are you ok with eating cat, dog, or horse? Would you be ok with it being fed to another animal for sport or to raise tickets? That is just not on the same level to me as an animal that is killed for meat and delivered already looking like meat.
    Isn't that pretty much what is done on National Geographic? You pay for the channel so you are basically paying to watch animals kill and eat each other. I guess you must not let your kids watch wildlife shows. I just don't get why it is any different that it actually looks like a piece of giraffe when they eat it. It is not a pet it a wild animal. That is what wild animals eat. I'm pretty sure they didn't force anyone to watch them eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Isn't that pretty much what is done on National Geographic? You pay for the channel so you are basically paying to watch animals kill and eat each other. I guess you must not let your kids watch wildlife shows. I just don't get why it is any different that it actually looks like a piece of giraffe when they eat it. It is not a pet it a wild animal. That is what wild animals eat. I'm pretty sure they didn't force anyone to watch them eat.
    It just rubs me wrong. Like **** fighting or bull dog fighting. Selling tickets to see animals mutilate each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    The reasons those offers were passed over are bogus. The EAZA isn't the only zoological membership group that doesn't allow zoos to sell animals to collectors or circuses and to say that the zoos in Sweden or Dublin would do so is just bogus.
    The EAZA's requirements are a lot more than just not promising to resell.

    PETA is claiming that the Swedish zoo says it never said it couldn't promise that the giraffe would never be sold.
    Sorry, but i do not regard PETA as a reliable and objective source of any information. You do? Interestingly enough, they disagree with the concept of zoos in general. While i don't think they are a reputable organization, i think they might be on to something when it comes to that point.

    The Dublin Zoo says it wasn't even offered the giraffe & only found out from the outrage about it, which debunks Copenhagen's claim that it looked at all European zoos.
    I only saw an article said that Dublin Zoo was disappointed in the decision because there were other offers, i saw nothing indicating that the zoo would have actually taken the animal. Did it ever occur to you that Copenhagen made a personal assessment that this zoo would not have worked? They are under no obligation to contact the zoo first to see if they agree.

    Regardless the point as a whole is that the EAZA has certain guidelines in place, and if they are not met then going against them undermines the goals of the organization as a whole.

    Yes, the Yorkshire zoo already has a giraffe that does match Marius, but it has space available, it was willing to take Marius, and it has the capacity to keep the two genetically similar giraffes separate. The argument that placing Marius there *might* have led the Yorkshire zoo to be in the same position later is bogus.
    They would have had to put him in an all male herd. Which means no sex, no natural mating rituals of any sort. Easy peasy to say thats a fine choice. This is not a mature male passed its prime, its a child with its whole life ahead of him. Imagine if someone sequestered you in an already unnatural environment and then also told you you could never have sex and on top of that you lack the intelligence to understand this depravity or mental ability to replace that emptiness with something else.

    One of its own giraffes might have died in the meantime.
    Why would you not assume that they did not assess the likelihood of this happening. Considering space and resources is something that zoos face all the time...i think its rather flippant or naive to assume that they could just keep it around for a while longer to see if someone else dies.

    Or maybe by then another zoo would have space for Marius or the other giraffe. We don't know what might have happened but in either of those scenarios Marius would have more years of a decent life.
    The already know the status of the breeding program they belong to. They know there is no genetically viable position for him withing the program.

    This whole situation seems to me like a bunch of toddlers fighting over a toy, and when one is told he can't play with it, he'd rather break it than let another toddler play with it.
    Like I said I think its one thing to simply disagree with their beliefs in upholding the policies and beliefs of the organization they are committed to. I think its totally wrong to act like they were being completely thoughtless in their decision or acting outraged.

    And everyone is totally ignoring that this happens all the time. You may like to think that this incident is different, but like the article i linked to states, animals are culled all the time for these very reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    It just rubs me wrong. Like **** fighting or bull dog fighting. Selling tickets to see animals mutilate each other.
    They didn't sell tickets to watch the tigers eat. They sold tickets to get into the zoo. Then they let the people who had already paid to get into the zoo watch them feed the tigers. They didn't force them to watch. They feed them every day this is no different. It sounds like it is routine to feed them deer and antelope. That is probably better for the tigers to eat them in chunks because it is more like how they eat in the wild. It's strange when we went to Sea World they had a dolphin tank where you could pay to buy whole little fish and feed them to the dolphins. No one was horrified because we were feeding other fish to the dolphins and watching them eat them. Weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    They didn't sell tickets to watch the tigers eat. They sold tickets to get into the zoo. Then they let the people who had already paid to get into the zoo watch them feed the tigers. They didn't force them to watch. They feed them every day this is no different. It sounds like it is routine to feed them deer and antelope. That is probably better for the tigers to eat them in chunks because it is more like how they eat in the wild. It's strange when we went to Sea World they had a dolphin tank where you could pay to buy whole little fish and feed them to the dolphins. No one was horrified because we were feeding other fish to the dolphins and watching them eat them. Weird.
    I could be misunderstanding, but I was thinking this was a special event with separate tickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I could be misunderstanding, but I was thinking this was a special event with separate tickets.
    That was my understanding, also, that watching the giraffe "dissection" and tiger feeding was a separate admission. On the radio news, the Copenhagen Zoo guy who was defending (trying to anyway....) what they did, referred to ticketholders.

    ETA: Jack Hanna of the Columbus Zoo, the San Diego Zoo and the American Association of Zoo Keepers have all issued statements denouncing the slaughter of Marius. The worldwide Association of Zoos and Aquariums issued a neutral statement saying its “programs and procedures” aren’t the same as the EAZA.
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