OT: An election in the US.

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OT: An election in the US.

I would like to say I did not vote. I feel that whoever wins is supposed to win.

BUT these are issues I have with the process in general.

I do not understand the electoral college. Why do we need them? Why can't we just count up the peoples votes and declare the winner. How can a person lose the popular vote and win the electoral vote? This makes no sense and seems like a run around to me. Even when I took Government class in school, it didn't make sense.

There aren't all the votes (less than half) in and candidates are conceding. I am seeing this as the votes for my state come in. What if by some freak turn a candidate manages to pull back ahead? BUT wait they have already given up so it doesn't matter, or does it not matter?

I guess I just need to go back to school, or maybe I am too stupid to get it.

I don't want to start a debate, I just want someone to explain it to me.

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Not a clue

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My understanding on the electoral votes is that system was established back in a time when votes couldn't be collected and counted so easily in a timely manner so they came up with the electoral college to represent the state and the idea was their vote would be based on popular opinion of the people. I think current times with the technology we have it's totally bogus. I don't get much into politics though so I'm by no means an expert or may not even know what I'm talking about Wink

That's all I can offer...I don't get the early concession either. :confused:

ETA: Did an Internet search...it was a compromise system established to deal with poor travel of information to all parts of the country during campaigning resulting in a good candidate being only regionally known but not nationally...that's a very loose translation. But, again not a problem in this age of instant information. I don't see why we couldn't go to a straight popular vote system.

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*lurker*

As far as the electoral college voting system, I feel it needs provisions. However, if you turn on Fox News right now, they all feel the same way because it's their candidate who may actually get the popular vote but not win the election. If it were switched with parties, maybe they would feel the same way. It doesn't make sense to me, because it seems to just give less power to "every person's vote counts."

Also, totally not a flame but if we all said "whoever is supposed to win will win" no one would win!! Smile

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Meh, what I should have said is : we are on a downward slope and I don't think the presidency can or will change the timeline we are on. And I feel that my vote doesn't actually count for anything. Also, I don't care for either of the presidential candidates from the only parties that get recognition. This is why I did not vote.

The last time this happened with the vote it was Bush vs. Gore. Bush had the lesser popular vote and won the election.

This entire situation is making me mad. This is not a valid system, this is not a valid election. States do not need to be divided up, you win the popular vote in the country, you should win the position.

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It looks like he won/will win the popular vote as well so that eases my mind a bit.

I totally agree we are on the wrong path politically and that it seems "nothing can change" and they're all politicians, etc. but in this particular election I felt that there was a definite lesser of 2 evils to vote for.

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I agree, I think some things need to be fixed with our voting system.

However, I am SO glad it's over. I hope in a week or so everyone can settle down and go back to being adults. Particularly on Facebook. So much hate going on...it's crazy. I respect everyones opinions - but apparently not everyone does.

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Romney waited till he was actually behind to concede, he probably would have fought it. It does make me feel better that the popular vote eventually lined up with the electoral, BUT I still don't like that they called it before all the votes were in.

FourMaybeMore's picture
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It's weird, right? Really makes you feel like your vote doesn't count.... but I guess there is a science to it I must not be understanding lol

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I threatened to virtually b*tch slap anyone who acted like they deserved it on FB last night. :oops:

As an American, you tactfully and respectfully accept the outcome is what it is. Don't flame the "other" political party. It's the fastest way to lose my respect.

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Yeah, a lot of my family aren't happy with the out come, and are making wildly ridiculous posts. I don't care either way, like I said I didn't vote, but there are a lot of people taking sore loser to new heights.

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"MJDttc" wrote:

I would like to say I did not vote. I feel that whoever wins is supposed to win.

BUT these are issues I have with the process in general.

I do not understand the electoral college. Why do we need them? Why can't we just count up the peoples votes and declare the winner. How can a person lose the popular vote and win the electoral vote? This makes no sense and seems like a run around to me. Even when I took Government class in school, it didn't make sense.

There aren't all the votes (less than half) in and candidates are conceding. I am seeing this as the votes for my state come in. What if by some freak turn a candidate manages to pull back ahead? BUT wait they have already given up so it doesn't matter, or does it not matter?

I guess I just need to go back to school, or maybe I am too stupid to get it.

I don't want to start a debate, I just want someone to explain it to me.

I have never understood it either. when I teach my students about voting its majority wins.. all votes count. I cant tell one table they get more weight on their vote because they have 5 students sitting there rather than 3.... it doesn't make sense. all votes should count. What about the absentee ones that they were only going ot count if needed because it was going to be too close for the electoral vote?

"MJDttc" wrote:

Meh, what I should have said is : we are on a downward slope and I don't think the presidency can or will change the timeline we are on. And I feel that my vote doesn't actually count for anything. Also, I don't care for either of the presidential candidates from the only parties that get recognition. This is why I did not vote.

The last time this happened with the vote it was Bush vs. Gore. Bush had the lesser popular vote and won the election.

This entire situation is making me mad. This is not a valid system, this is not a valid election. States do not need to be divided up, you win the popular vote in the country, you should win the position.

it is NOT valid! I also wonder how many people didn't check their summary at the end. I know in my town we had people who voted for Romney and it came up obama in their summary.. Others I know that live elsewhere had the opposite.