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So it sounds like baby's head is in my left hip...how easy is it for them to move from that position to head down. My DD was a c-section because she was breech so I'm a wee bit freaked. Blum 3 Logically I know it's early but.....

I know if baby is breech they will schedule a repeat c-section but if the head is in the hip will they just wait it out. If the head isn't ON the cervix by when labour starts can they still right themselves?

I really want to try for a vbac!

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Maybe start the spinning babies regimen? It doesn't sound like it's too far hopefully he/she will decide to go down instead of up. Would they try doing version to turn the baby if it got closer and he/she still hasn't moved or would they just schedule the c-section?

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I'm not sure what they will do because you are hoping for VBAC......where they "draw the line"...

DS2 was nearly transverse during labour and birth. When I was being induced, they could barely even see the corner of his head in my cervix, and his whole body was sideways, all hanging in the left side of my belly. Even as he was crowning (eventually......LOL), his body was still shoved over in the left side of my belly, hanging off to the side. It was ridiculous!

Maybe take a look at the spinning babies website and see what you can do in the meantime!

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My friend who just had a baby - her baby was breech at 37 weeks. She spent a day hanging out in a pool ALL DAY, and the baby flipped. Anyway, there are some things that can be done and you have PLENTY of time still. Maybe look into a chiro who specializes in this sort of thing? If you spine is out of line that can definitely cause a baby to be breech.

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I agree it's still too early and babe has lots of time to flip. I've heard of many flipping at 36-37 weeks. It is much easier knowing they are already head down, a little weight lifted off the shoulders - but there are many techniques and lots you can still do. I would ask your midwife what techniques they have, and then google some of your own to help babe out. Also, I know how badly you want a VBAC, but sometimes we have to let go of an outcome a little bit, and just trust that the baby will do the right thing to come out in the best way. I definitely want you to have a VBAC, but the more you worry about your baby being breech, the more likely s/he will stay that way. My midwife doesn't actually deliver breech babies, but she said if that was the case she would get me in with a doctor who does do vaginal deliveries of breech.

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I just checked my pregnancy diary and I was 34w5d when we had an u/s to confirm DD was breech. After that I did a lot of inversions, time in the hot tub (instead of a pool) and when to chiro. My fluid was measuring low so I wasn't a good candidate for a manual version. Also, she was Frank Breech so her toes were at her nose. Even if she WERE head down the toes at the nose thing probably would have been a problem. Sad Anyways, nothing I did made her turn and she was taken by c-section 10 days before my due date.

This pregnancy I've been going to chiro for months already so that's good. If that's going to help with anything it's better to be going longer.

As for how long they'll let me 'go'. I'm not really sure. I have a midwife (in Canada a midwife is instead of an OB, not a nurse/midwife like you sometime see in the US) and midwives are very good at giving you ever possible chance to have a vaginal birth. I'm sure she won't be quick to push me to a repeat c-section but she did indicate that if baby is breech they will schedule one at some point. Sigh.

So Sandra...you went into labour ok with baby not putting direct pressure on the cervix then? How did he eventually come out? Did they have to help him or did you just switch positions and he slid into place? Oh wait, I see you were induced. Hummmm...that might be a problem as they will only do so many induction techniques for a vbac.

I REALLY don't want to go through all that spinning babies cr@p again. SIGH! Why can't my kids know the way OUT?!?!?!

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"dinzy" wrote:

My midwife doesn't actually deliver breech babies, but she said if that was the case she would get me in with a doctor who does do vaginal deliveries of breech.

My midwife does breech deliveries but as DD's head was measuring REALLY big and I had never had a vaginal birth before, the c-section was deemed safer.

I know that there is a huge chance I'll have a c-section no matter what happens...I just wish I could TRY to be normal. LOL

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I wouldn't say there is a huge chance that you will have a repeat c-section. Honestly, people who have a had a previous c-section due to a breech baby usually have the highest success rates with going for a vaginal birth!

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Yes, he was 11 days late and we had to kick him out Wink I'm sure they don't like to induce when you are hoping for VBAC. He was stubborn but eventually moved down into the birth canal. Even though his whole body was still sideways LOL!

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"pollo_la" wrote:

Honestly, people who have a had a previous c-section due to a breech baby usually have the highest success rates with going for a vaginal birth!

Yes, my midwife has always said I'm a great candidate for a vbac and even while we were in the hospital with DD she would talk about 'next time' when I'd have a vaginal birth.

From what I understand they won't give you oxytocin if you're a vbac. Something like that. There are other methods though like the bulb thingy...but you already have to be a bit dilated for that.

Sandra> I'm glad to hear he moved down and came out!

I'm just reading an Ina May Gaskin book on natural births but next up is a vbac book a friend loaned me. I need to get reading or I'm going to run out of time! I'm not a reader so I'm slow. Blum 3

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I read her book before my third dd was born! That book is what gave me my first 100% intervention free delivery. I learned so much. I had epidurals with my first 2, but after reading that book, I've been able to have 100% natural deliveries.

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"pollo_la" wrote:

I read her book before my third dd was born! That book is what gave me my first 100% intervention free delivery. I learned so much. I had epidurals with my first 2, but after reading that book, I've been able to have 100% natural deliveries.

YAY! That's so great to hear! I'm still reading all the many birth stories in the front. VERY informative. The face first delivery was so weird...especially seeing the photo.

I think I'm still struggling with the whole 'it's natural and the feelings are good' thing. I've been raised in a world that fears birth!

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I'll hopefully find out on Wednesday, but my money is on the fact that this baby is not completely head down. Either that or she has some mighty strong arms.

Curious though how the pool thing worked? That is interesting.

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I searched and have found a copy of the Ina May book online, I have been looking for something new to read.

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My babe is definitely head down. TMI - but if I put my finger "up there" I can feel a nice round, hard head!

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"pollo_la" wrote:

My babe is definitely head down. TMI - but if I put my finger "up there" I can feel a nice round, hard head!

Oooh, that's a great tip to know! I'll have to try that later on. LOL.

This is the book I'm reading:

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My baby was head down at my last U/S, but yesterday and today he has been transverse, this morning I could feel his head moving by my left hip and his butt was way over on the right side of my ribs. I have even been feeling feet or knees way over on the right side off and on all day. But there have also been times in the last few days that his butt was perfectly centered and way up high and I could feel pressure way down way low where his head was pressing down. I think he is out trying to get comfortable, since I have a short torso, he doesn't have much room to stretch out!

I really can't help you much on the vbac, my SIL tried it with hers, but she ended up with three c sections. She just wouldn't dialate though. I think your situation would be he beat chance at a vbac as long as baby stays head down. For some reason I have had a feeling this whole pregnancy that my baby would be breech and I think he did spend a while that way. Now that I know he is head down, I just hope he stays that way!

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There are things that you can do to encourage them to turn/lay the right way.
Sitting on a exercise ball, not reclining on the couch, hands and knees so that they rotate, and squatting is good.
Those are all the things I do towards the end to encourage them to go the right way.

My LO is still still sort of transverse, but I'll start working on the positioning soon.

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I've been doing some detective work and I think baby is laying like this only the opposite side.

I initially thought the hard mass to the left of my belly button was a shoulder, but infant shoulders aren't that big and hard! Now I'm thinking that's the head. Then the bum is on my right between my hip bone and rib cage. I tested my theory today with the doppler and the heartbeat is best located about an inch below my belly button!

Soooooo... at least baby isn't technically breach...but not far off.

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I think baby *might* be head down!!!! I felt some tickles really low in the center last night...like hands. Then at 4am I felt hiccups down there too. In the middle (they were on one side previously). I could also feel the hiccups on the inside, like on my cervix or rectum or something. Then this morning I felt feet on the right side where they were before but when the feet were pushing it was like the butt was pushing out my left side at the same time! Oooooh, please please please! Midwife is Friday...so we'll see.

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I can't speak as to going into labor without direct pressure as I've never actually gone into labor on my own (been induced 2x) but both of my kids tried to come OUT my hip instead of straight down :doh: With DD, I had to push on my side for 20 minutes to get her head out of my hip and with DS, my doc just used a vacuum to straighten him out (after which he basically flew out). So I'm not surprised I'm feeling hiccups and movement down in my hip again this time...I must have a very inviting hip cavity :rolleyes:

Hope s/he goes head down for you soon so you don't have to stress it. It's a lot more pressure as you are going for a VBAC and probably don't have induction as an option.

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You are a couple of weeks behind me, and my baby does stay perfectly head down all of the time yet. Earlier today his head was perfectly down and felt like he was about it fall out and then later on I could feel his head pressing on my hip.

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"Momma Leah" wrote:

You are a couple of weeks behind me, and my baby does stay perfectly head down all of the time yet. Earlier today his head was perfectly down and felt like he was about it fall out and then later on I could feel his head pressing on my hip.

Well that's silly! LOL. I think we might have some other funky position going on right now...not sure. Anyways, at least it's possible to be head down!