But apparently, I start trying to use the doppler early too... LOL. I broke down and pulled it out today. I was able to find DS2's heartbeat at 9 weeks on the dot, so I thought, "What's 4 days?" I was able to find something questionable... It was rhythmic and faster than my own heart rate, but it was SOOO faint, it sounded like it was coming from very deep within (or perhaps it was the tiniest of little heartbeats?). I'll try again in a few days, HAH.