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Daycare Vent

I gotta ask, do others of you have ongoing issues with daycare or am I just expecting way to much. GRRR

Zayden is in a new daycare, just for the summer during summer vacation at preschool. His new daycare came recommended by another mom I know and they had a specific potty training class. Place seems okay, I think I posted a few weeks ago he went through a week of crying when I dropped him off but we got past that.

So last Monday I picked him up and he was soaked. I have no idea how long he had been wet for but I took him over, cleaned him up and changed him with some of his spare clothes. Not a big deal but during this entire time, the preschool teachers were fussing about something missing and his main teacher was sitting on a table trying to remember where some art supplies were. They did not even acknowledge my presence or that Z was wet.

Picked him up on last Tuesday he had also had an accident. Didn't realize until bath time that he was not wearing any underwear under his shorts. My guess was he had changed himself --which is fine --but without any supervision --which is not.

I spoke with the director the next day and causally mentioned the two incidents and wanted to check that if he was changing himself, he was still being supervised and wiped down after an accident. She said she would check with the ladies and make sure.

Jump ahead to yesterday -- Zayden had an accident during nap time -- not a big deal -- they sent home his sheets and shorts in a plastic bag. I went to help him potty after dinner and realized that he was wearing TWO pairs of underwear. I checked the bag --nope, no undies. My guess though only a guess, is they had him change himself after the accident, gave him undies and shorts, and he just put the clean undies on over the wet ones? Can't figure out any other reason he would be wearing two pairs.

Oh and when I picked him up too yesterday, his shoes were on the wrong foot and he started getting a blister on one foot.

Now, I am okay with Zayden changing himself (and putting on his own shoes is great since that was such an issue at his preschool) but for Pete's sake he needs to be supervised when he is doing that? Don't you think?

Am I being too sensitive or do daycares just have these issues? Zayden will only be there until Labor Day so I know its not a long term issue -- and he will not be going back. The ladies seem nice and he seems to be enjoying it, but the child need to wear undies --and only ONE pair. LOL

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Yes, we have issues here and there and some parents have issues daily. I tend to look past a lot of stuff. I have had Deacon come home without any underwear before too but they told me ahead of time that he was out and they had to use their shorts for him.

Right now he is in the 1 year old class because his class was outside and I am not allowing him to play outside. Its so unbearably hot and until the temps get below triple digits and they are more careful to spray him with the mosquito spray I brought, I'd rather him stay in. Deacon sweats while in the car with the AC on full blast - so when I pick him up and he is drenched in sweat with a blood red face, I'm thinking its a tad too hot outside for him.

This morning I found several bites all over his legs that are really swollen. So either the mosquito spray I have isn't working or they aren't using it.

Over all I have a great daycare experience.

If I was you I would definitely go back to the director or talk to the teachers ASAP. Seems like they are being very lazy with him.

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I could not imagine that hot! They are letting kids play outside in that heat? I guess I am so spoiled with our weather! I don't think I could go outside in triple digits!

Poor Deacon with mosquito bites! I used to get those so bad as a kid in the South...I was the mosquito magnet!

I try to overlook a lot, after all he is only there a total of two months, but another part for me is paying $1,000 a month -they certainly should be able to supervise him when he changes!!

His teacher keeps telling me how verbal he is and seems to hold him to a higher standard or treat him like he is older than he is? I don't think that is appropriate. He certainly can carry on a conversation but that does not translate to being able to put his shoes on the right feet or know how to dress himself.

Oh and the time he came home with no undies, the first thing I did the next morning was check to see if he had extras (and brought extras cause my first thought was that he was out) He had several pair in his cubby so that wasn't the issue.

Thanks for the reinforcment -- I will chat with them because I agree it just seems like they are lazy.

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Amy

I don't deal with any daycare or school yet BUT YES YOU SHOULD BE "MAD" I would

when I am at home I let Florian dress him self and thing go backward but when he is done I praise him and then say "hold on I need to fixe something"... same wit the shoes.. but HE SHOULD BE SUPERVISED... YOU PAY FOR THIS SERVICE RIGHT ????

SO i WOULD BE YOU I WOULD GO SIT DOWN WITH THE DIRECTOR AND AFTER A TALK ALONE WITH HIM/HER ASK THE CLASS TEACHER TO COME AND TALK TO HER/HIM TOO

I don't think this is very good to let Z in is "accident" waiting for you to be changed..... is he going to think "well the school does nothing I have to way for Momy" so next school he goes he will not bother asking to go pee since he had be "teaches" to stay wet until mommy comes.... DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I TRY TO SAY IN MY BAD ENGLISH ???????????????

keep us posted on the meetings...................

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Yes Magali I understand LOL Smile your English is not bad --much better than my French! Smile

I do agree that Z should be learning to dress himself, and I am not really good at teaching that at home, but if he was being supervised, we would not be having these problems.

I will be really happy when preschool starts again, though I know that will bring another host of issues (though those issues are more related to Zayden's behavior -- sigh)

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"Jenn0113" wrote:

Right now he is in the 1 year old class because his class was outside and I am not allowing him to play outside. Its so unbearably hot and until the temps get below triple digits and they are more careful to spray him with the mosquito spray I brought, I'd rather him stay in. Deacon sweats while in the car with the AC on full blast - so when I pick him up and he is drenched in sweat with a blood red face, I'm thinking its a tad too hot outside for him.

Okay, first of all, Jenn, it is crazy that they are taking the kids outside in this weather!! Primrose has a posted weather policy that shows at what temps they will take the kids outside and how long they will stay, for example 95 - 100 degrees, no more than 15 minutes, 100 degrees and over, no outside time (I don't remember it, only an example). I know they haven't played outside in quite a while except occassionally first thing in the morning before the temp gets too unbearable. L should really have a policy like that for the kid's safety, that is crazy. Don't they have anywhere inside (in ALL that space!) that they can play and run?

And Amy, that would NOT be okay with me, I agree with Jenn and would go back to the day care director again. I am such a wimp with confrontation but I did learn at my last day care that most times the director is clueless about what goes on in the classrooms and if you don't tell them, they can't fix it. The only issue I have really had in Sophia's current class is that on rare occassion she will poop at school (she usually goes in the evening at home) and when she does, she tries to wipe herself. I'm not sure if she doesn't ask them to wipe her, or if they don't hear her because they aren't near the bathroom, or what the issue is. But she will leave poo on her butt, which then stains her underwear and makes her little butt red. I don't like that at all, but I also know that with 2-3 teachers and 22-25 kids, they can't supervise each kid that goes to the bathroom. I do know for sure that if Sophia has an accident, they are the ones that clean her up and change her, they do not expect her to do it herself. That is a bit much for me.

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"SID081108" wrote:

Okay, first of all, Jenn, it is crazy that they are taking the kids outside in this weather!! Primrose has a posted weather policy that shows at what temps they will take the kids outside and how long they will stay, for example 95 - 100 degrees, no more than 15 minutes, 100 degrees and over, no outside time (I don't remember it, only an example). I know they haven't played outside in quite a while except occassionally first thing in the morning before the temp gets too unbearable. L should really have a policy like that for the kid's safety, that is crazy. Don't they have anywhere inside (in ALL that space!) that they can play and run?

Well I assume they think its ok because its covered. I actually want to look up the law on that today. They have the gym they can take them too and Deacon actually told me he likes the gym best. Why not just use the gym all summer?

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All the playgrounds at Primrose are covered too...it doesn't make them any less hot! I wish it was a law Sad

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Yikes Jenn and Carrie -- I would hate for my kid to be out in that heat, covered or not! I assume (hope) they are good at making the kids drink water to stay hydrated?

Well just got a call from the director to tell me Zayden just got stung by a bee Sad and wanted to make sure he wasn't allergic --which of course I don't know because hes never been stung. They are watching him closely though for the rest of the day. She is usually not there by the time I pick Zayden up so I will have to chat with her tomorrow. Though, Carrie I am like you, I don't like the confrontation.

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"SID081108" wrote:

All the playgrounds at Primrose are covered too...it doesn't make them any less hot! I wish it was a law Sad

Fairbanks law is.. if colder than 20 below the kids don't go outside Wink

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"keops" wrote:

Fairbanks law is.. if colder than 20 below the kids don't go outside Wink

:eek: :eek:

Okay, I wouldn't my kid out in anything below zero. (actually I don't let Z play outside when its below 60 LOL)

Wow I am a total wimp! I would die in AK or TX!

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Hmmm. I think that would really bug me. One time is one thing, but when this keeps reoccuring and you've mentioned it already I'd be bugged. He should definitely be supervised when cleaning all that up. I can't even imagine sending Miles into the bathroom to do all of that on his own, he can barely pull his own shorts down. And sitting in his pee for who knows how long? Gross.

I'm sure Zayden's care during the day is fine, it's probably the evening shift workers who are slacking.

Jenn - I am really surprised they let the kids play outside when it's that hot, too. Look into the laws. I can't remember if your place is licensed or not, but the daycare I worked at we had posted temperatures that we could and couldn't go outside in, and like Carrie said for how long on the more extreme days.

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I also don't think you're overreacting. I would be upset if Aasha came home in wet underwear, or missing underwear. Luckily, we've not experienced anything like that.

You've had a couple incidents in a short span of time, so it's not like they made a rare mistake. I agree that you should talk to someone there about it, and I hope that you convey your expectations, so that they can respond with a 'yes, we totally agree', or 'here's what you can expect from us', so that at least you'd be on the same page.

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"AshnBill" wrote:

Jenn - I am really surprised they let the kids play outside when it's that hot, too. Look into the laws. I can't remember if your place is licensed or not, but the daycare I worked at we had posted temperatures that we could and couldn't go outside in, and like Carrie said for how long on the more extreme days.

Yes, its licensed. There are no exact laws they just say its up to the daycare provider. I got in a bit of a tiff yesterday with the director over it and she has smoothed it over since - kind of. She still says its safe :rolleyes: (the feels like temp was 117 yesterday) so I am making the decision for Deacon to stay inside the rest of the week, since obviously I can't trust her to make the right decision for him.

Sorry to derail your thread Amy!

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Jenn -- Derail away! I think I would be much more upset about the heat! I cannot in any manner thing that feels like 117 would be safe outside for anyone, especially young children!

Glad to hear others would react this way too, the director wasn't there when I picked him up yesterday (and they were more concerned about the bee sting) and wasn't there this morning either.

Shelly, your right, it has been three separate incidents within a week and change. That is what annoys me. I don't want to be the mom from H$@* but he needs to be cared for and supervised.

DH however doesn't want me to make waves, Z is only there till September 1 so whats the big deal, etc etc etc.

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"SoCaliLover" wrote:

DH however doesn't want me to make waves, Z is only there till September 1 so whats the big deal, etc etc etc.

The big deal? About 3 or more weeks...meaning since he is going to be there a little longer and you seriously pay a ton, he deserves to be cared for appropriately.

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"Jenn0113" wrote:

The big deal? About 3 or more weeks...meaning since he is going to be there a little longer and you seriously pay a ton, he deserves to be cared for appropriately.

Yep, yep, yep. My DH is the opposite. I would be all wimpy about it and he would be stomping down there giving them a piece of his mind. :violent2:

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I'm late to the party LOL.

I would talk to them too... doesn't matter how long hes there. the double underware thing is dumb.. didn't they wonder where the peed undies were??

Jenn yeah if its too hot they usually don't take the kids out here (well at least Claires school didn't)

and I would go out at below zero.. but -20 ... uhhh no. Wink

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I worked at an early education center for low income families for about a year, and was mainly in the 2 year classroom. We had a temp policy, and I think if it was 95 or higher it was too hot to go out. Jenn you should be questioning the exact policy, for the safety of all of the kids.

Amy- If the kids are dressing themselves they should be supervised. I'm guessing the "teachers" act in the same nonchalant manor all day. If Z doesn't scream or make a big deal, it goes unnoticed.

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I would be really mad if that was happening at Claire's daycare!!! Claire has never gone to the bathroom unsupervised yet, as she almost always needs help with pulling up her panties and shorts, and cannot wipe herself after pooping very well at all yet.

And even if it is only 3 weeks left, I would want something to change as that is a lot of days for things to keep going wrong!

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I did talk to the director -- I was really nice about it - and she was going to keep an eye on it for me.

Unfortunately, the daycare situation is going downhill --fast -- and its not them as much as it is Zayden.

He is almost refusing to go potty there -- we have almost no accidents at home ever, but there he is having 2 or 3 a day. She said most of them he is running to the potty and just not making it in time but yesterday I walked in with him to drop him off, saw him grab his wee (is sign on potty) asked him if he needed to go potty to which he said NO and then proceeded to walk in the middle of the room on carpet and pee all over. I grabbed him, took him to the bathroom and asked he WHY did he do that, he said "I don't like this potty" Its a toilet kid, get over it!

The past several days too she has reported him being much more aggressive, on Tuesday when I picked him up he was off at his own table coloring --because he had head butted two kids within ten minutes so apparently he couldn't play with his friends (one kid was smaller and the other was the biggest kid at the daycare apparently) Wednesday DH got him and it was the same report, he had to spend some time by himself since he couldn't play nice.

They yesterday we were talking with him about why all the accidents, and he needed to work harder and he announced, "I don't like summer camp, I want to go to school!" (we call daycare summer camp) he then went through his list of friends at school. I went through the same list and told him that Cutter, Devin, Zoie, Eloise, Maximilian, etc were all going potty in the potty and he needed to be going potty too.

I see no sign of him being mistreated or anything so I don't think that's the issue -- it seems like he is rebelling and doesn't like the place anymore. Thank you God we only have two more weeks!