red-shirting?

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sweetsriracha's picture
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red-shirting?

Anyone planning on red-shirting? For those new to the phenomenon, red shirting is deliberately holding your child back a year to ensure more academic (and for some families, athletic) success.

I'm not sure if we will or not. I really want to know we'll be able to afford private school, since public schools in our area of Portland are TERRIBLE. I guess it will be a "wait and see" thing!

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Carter will be 5...turning 6 two months after kindy starts. I'm not going to hold him back because he will be 6 going on 7 the next year. I think the cut off is September so he couldn't start when he is 4 even if I wanted him to.

What are you going to do?

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"Jenni Beth" wrote:

What are you going to do?

Unknown. Warren and I had a conversation about red shirting long before we had Laszlo, and concluded we'd definitely do it with any future boys, and possibly daughters. But our babies have early birthdays! I think it is going to depend on a LOT of factors, mostly him and where our finances are at that point. We might do Waldorf, in which case he'd probably start kindergarten at 5, almost 6.

Interestingly enough, I've read that red shirting rates are at about 20% nationwide. I assume those rates are higher in affluent populations, because if cost of day care is a strain on a family's budget, it seems logical that they'd be motivated to start their kids in (free) school ASAP. It seems that if Laszlo's bday was any later in the year, he'd be almost at a disadvantage starting school at 5!

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I've never heard of this, but I always go by how the child is. If they seem ready to go to preschool or kindergarten then I will put them in. I personally don't understand how holding them back would give them an advantage but thats just me.

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I always felt redshirting was more for kids with earlier bdays, like a May baby starting KG at 6 insteaf of 5, whereas fall babies are a special subunit of that.
Here the rules are different KG starts at3 and 1st grade starts the year the child turns 6, unless their bday is after Sept. If the bday is after Sept, they are considered 'can' kids, in that they can start school, not must. (Not enrolling your child in school and enforcing that they go is punishable by jail time, homeschoolers get jailed here) Anyway, there is a small note to starting KG here (which I believe in USA is also optional like here) at 3, the 'can' kids must wait until after their 3rd bday. When all the other kids start in the fall, the can kids have to wait until Jan, if not the next fall. It is mainly due to not enough spaces in the KGs.

My first didn't start KG until 3 turning 4 (Oct baby). I haven't decided what to do about school for any of them. I have asked the moms on my other bbs. It seems to be a mix of waiting bc the kid isn't ready either socially or academically and the kid will just start at 4 turning 5. One person did mention that although they prefered waiting, they have to start early due to finances.

Until recently I had always thought by tarting her (my oldest) early means she gets sort of a boost in life because she will be able to start college a year earlier or travel or do whatever she wants as an adult. Then I realized which is better life as a child or an adult? I thought a year as a kid seems much better than as an adult. But I am still undecided.

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I haven't thought about Emerson's situation yet with his November birthday> I'm guessing it'll depend on what kind of kid he is!

DD turns 5 in July and is starting K in September. She is definitely ready to start school. DS has a February birthday, so he will be 5.5 by the time he starts K, which will be good for him, since he is speech delayed and was recently diagnosed with mild hearing loss. He could use the extra 6 months before K starts - although I am applying to preK for him starting this fall. They only take in kids who they think will benefit from the program since spots are limited, but I think with his language delay, he might get in.

I guess Emerson will have to start when he is 4 and 3/4, or wait a year until he is nearly 6. Technically he will be able to start when he is 4 since the cut off is December 31st to turn 5. It will be a wait and see situation!

I have never heard of red-shirting Smile

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Rory (and my older Evan) are just after the cut off -- Dec 1 is the cut off in our area where you can choose to go earlier or late. Since both boys will already be older I will likely send them at the normal time. If they had been Oct or Nov babies I would have held them. It's a very personal choice but my mom's a remedial reading teacher and is a strong advocate for not starting early (obv there are always kids who are exceptions!) but she saw a lot more kids do poorly who just needed another year than kids too smart and too bored. She also grew very frustrated with her district's changing policy on retention. Repeating kindergarten or first grade -- when she started teaching 30 years ago it happened a lot more often. Kids who weren't grasping the topics or just weren't mature enough repeated. But over time parents didn't want to hear it and the school moved away from it. I think at one point my mom did some research on the kids retained on how they wound up doing and it was remarkable, they all graduated HS many with honors. Of course there's no control group so perhaps they would have caught up but retaining didn't hurt them. Anyway I would definitely consider waiting if it seemed right.

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I had never heard of this. I probably won't do this, as it doesn't matter that much to me, especially if the kids are attending public schools because they're all terrible anyway! Nevada's schools are ranked 46th WORST in education in the country! I wish I could afford private school, or at least afford to be a SAHM because them I would just home school them myself. The schoolwork that they do is a joke (I have one in third grade and one in first).

Jasmine, you could also check into Charter schools in your area. They're basically private schools that are free, just run much better than public schools. That's what I'm going to do for this coming school year. They're so hard to get into though, you have to go through a lottery to get in.

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I have never heard of that across here but in saying that children start school here at the age of 5.

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My 4 year old will turn 5 in July and he will not be doing kindergarten in Augest. He could but we are waiting another year to send him. He may do a preschool program again if we can get him in but otherwise he will be home another year. He has speech problems and needs the extra time.
Not sure about Landon.It will depend on him and how he is .

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My first thought, as a college basketball fan, was huh? Why are we talking about red-shirting on a baby forum! (when a player gets injured and sits out the majority of a season, NCAA rules allow them to play another year to make up for the missed year...they can only play for 4 years in college)
Jack misses the deadline for K, like Katie's boys. I am currently looking into preschools for him for the fall, in the 2 year old programs, because I think he can benefit from the structure and socialization, and doing something "special" that his sister doesn't get to do yet. He will not be starting kindergarten late, he will be 5 almost 6 when he starts. I was the same, I started K when I was 5 almost 6. My only issue is this: even though my kids are 23 months apart in age, Trinity will likely be only 1 year behind her brother in school. I don't know how I feel about that--what if Jack needs remedial classes or T needs advanced classes, they could potentially be in the same class, OR if Jack is not successful and needs to be held back a year (I don't foresee this happening, but who can predict the future, right?)-they could be in the same grade. I don't know what that would do for Jack's self-esteem. And then there's the financial aspect of having two kids starting college RIGHT IN A ROW. But hopefully they will be stellar students and get scholarships to college so mom and dad can spend retirement vacationing rather than paying off their college. (heehee)
I guess its a bridge we will have to cross when the time comes. Smile

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My sister and I were like Jack and Trinity except my mom held my sister a year (Nov baby) so we were 2 years apart in school vs 1. At least in our case it was just fine Smile My sister was a better athlete than I was by far but I was much more social. SO we did just fine never really competing with each other. Hopefully my boys will do as well. At least as babies go they are dramatically different babies so hopefully they get along just fine in time sharing friends and sports teams etc.

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I realized yesterday, that if I hold my kids back until the proper age to start school, then they will be in the same class (same teacher, not just the same grade, in the same class). I can't decide if that is good or bad. One on hand I think it could help my oldest to be in the same class as her younger sibling, because she is so extremely shy. On the other hand, I just can't decide Lol

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:lurk: my first was an Oct baby, missed the Sept 1 cut off so he was nearly 6 for K. My other two babies I wanted to have maternity leave in the summer because it was awful being stuck inside with a newborn. DS1 is in first grade this year and is at such an advantage being older that when we are TTCing #4 we took this into consideration and trying for a fall baby.

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"CrescentMoonMama" wrote:

:lurk: my first was an Oct baby, missed the Sept 1 cut off so he was nearly 6 for K. My other two babies I wanted to have maternity leave in the summer because it was awful being stuck inside with a newborn. DS1 is in first grade this year and is at such an advantage being older that when we are TTCing #4 we took this into consideration and trying for a fall baby.

That makes me feel better about my situation. I have to hold mine back until he is 5 for the same reasons you did. I don't have a choice...it is just the way the school system works here. I hope he will be at the top of his class and really good at sports! Wink

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Here in Houston K starts at age 5 and they only have pre school for kids that have English as a second language or meet a certain financial limit. Both of my older boys meet the deadline to start on time but Gianni will be almost 6.