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Birth control.....

What do you do?

What do you think about the IUD??

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I still am waiting to get it put in.. so no thoughts yet..

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I'm on the pill. Everything else just scares me lol

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My friend told me that her doctor didn't think that she would agree with a IUD since a baby is made, it is just unable to implant due to the IUD. Have any of ya'll heard this too? What do you think? Not trying to start a debate.... I just myself am wondering about it.. if that is true I know I am not gonna agree with getting it. If it is not true than it might be something I'd think about. Either that or dh getting the big V.... we are between those options....

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It is thought that IUDs work primarily by preventing fertilization but may also prevent implantation. So, you have to make the decision for yourself as to whether or not you're comfortable with that. I currently have the Paragard IUD and I'm happy with it. I have a tiny bit of spotting in between periods but its not enough to really care about. My periods are heavier than pre-Pregnancy but I've only had three so I'm not sure if its due to the IUD or if its just PP weirdness and things are going to return to normal. I wouldn't use an IUD as a permanent form of birth control. There is still a risk of an "oops" and there's also risk of the IUD migrating and perforating something. Those risks are minuscule but they are still risks. If you're looking for a permanent solution, why not look into Essure in addition to the big V?

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When deciding how you feel about IUDs, it depends on how you feel about your BC preventing conception (egg+sperm) or implantation of the fertilized egg in the uterus.

With an IUD, you are not preventing ovulation or even necessarily conception (there is some thought that the copper (Paraguard only) makes the uterus uninhabitable for egg and sperm), but if egg and sperm do meet, the IUD is intended to prevent implantation. If implantation does occur and you become pregnant, you have to have the IUD removed, which usually results in a miscarriage.

Since you asked, I, personally, am not ok with IUDs but I do not judge those that have chosen it for themselves. Everyone has to make that decision based on their needs and their own personal views.

Copper IUD (Paragaurd): http://www.contracept.org/iud-paragard.php
Mirena IUD (hormonal): http://www.contracept.org/iud-mirena.php

For our BC, we use NFP (Taking Charge of Your Fertility). However, since we're not at the point where we'd be excited about an oopsie, we also use condoms if there is ANY chance that I am near O or haven't O'd yet that cycle. I have wonky cycles and only seem to ovulate every other month or less (this was also true when I wasn't BFing), so that makes it tricky to chart, esp. since I'm not sleeping enough to temp and am just relying on fertility signs.

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I am not necessarily looking into something permanent... dh more so is trying to convince me on the big v. I really am starting to lean towards the big v.. It sucks that all these birth control methods have such crazy risks associated with them. Yeah I am not ok with the IUD then..... all other options have been veto'd by either me or dh.

we do the condom thing now... I am just worried we might have another drunken night and end up with another LO. I love babies.. but we really just can not afford another plus dh has hit his "I have no desire to have another" stage in his life it seems. I don't see the point in adding all those hormones in my body/having crazy risks just to in ten years turn around and he still want the big v. Which according to him for the past year or so he has said he wanted..

this is a hard decision to make!!!

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Ashley, I believe you are correct, or at least Im thinking the same way you are.. You could potentially get prego, but baby wouldnt implant..I have thought about this too.. I am still thinking about getting the mirena but I am mostly scared about the hormones, and that is kinda disturbing. I might just suck it up and get on the pill, hopefully a very low dose..

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"Newlywed630" wrote:

My friend told me that her doctor didn't think that she would agree with a IUD since a baby is made, it is just unable to implant due to the IUD. Have any of ya'll heard this too? What do you think? Not trying to start a debate.... I just myself am wondering about it.. if that is true I know I am not gonna agree with getting it. If it is not true than it might be something I'd think about. Either that or dh getting the big V.... we are between those options....

This is why I will not get an IUD.

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How high are the chances really of blood clots with the pill? This is something my dh is scared of. I was on YAZ and that made my arms and legs feel weird. Not that I know of how a blood clot feels or anything.. Maybe it was that I was so worried about it I Thought my legs and arms felt weird. Now that I have actual health insurance.. if I felt weird.. I guess I could go and get checked out? Would they be able to check me out.. or is a blood clot something that would go undetected? I have no idea on any of this.. I would take pills if I knew that I wouldn't die.. lol! Really maybe I am just nuts..
I am overweight too.. so I worry that it would not work as well along with the blood clot thing..

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We use natural family planning as well. It worked really well for us during the 4 years between our 2 youngest. I have really long, unpredictable, cycles usually and it makes things a little tricky so I've never charted or tempted. I also just watch for fertility signs.

I've considered a copper IUD for the future but after having an aquaintance that got preg. this year with an IUD in place I'm not so certain anymore. I didn't know that that could actually happen or think through the outcomes before. She had to take the chances of having it removed, likely causing a m/c, or terminating the pregnancy. I wouldn't ever want to be in that situation personally so it makes me question getting one. I know we will use NFP until we are certain our family is complete.

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We are using abstience :P. In all seriousness NFP is the way we are going to use, the pill is too freaking expensive, especially when trying to get a new one, I think last time I went through 4 different kids before I found one that didn't make me want to kill people constantly. And at $20- $100 a pack I am not going through that again to have to throw half a pack, plus the $50 for each doctors appointment.

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With my insurance (pay for it with dh's work) my visit is free....

I need to talk to him about the pill.. but I am not so sure dh will agree with the pill.. guess I am gonna have to wait and see when he comes home.

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we use withdrawal+NFP+condoms Lol

the IUD scares me.

I was on the pill for years (alesse) and i never had any major problems, but i did always feel bloated and moody. I just feel so much better not taking them now. plus my bp is still up a little and taking them would scare me and not be a good idea

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Isn't clotting only a risk if you smoke?

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Hum... IDK. For some reason I thought being overweight was also a risk for clotting if you took the pill..
hopefully I am mistaken because that would totally put me at ease.
I guess I need to ask these questions to my obgyn.
And of course bring it up with dh but he is also worried about the clotting... if that wasn't a issue than the pill would be doable..

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This is what I was on... if anyone wonders why bcp freak me out a bit
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/fda-discuss-safety-issues-surrounding-leading-birth-control/story?id=15099220#.TzxTr1yJfpg

I found this about the overweight thing...
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/pulmonary-embolism/DS00429/DSECTION=risk-factors

I don't have high blood pressure... so.. maybe the risk isn't so much with me..

I guess I just need to make my yearly appointment and ask the doctor. Thanks for ya'll's input.

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*lurker*

I found this:

Thromboembolism (blood clots): Women who use estrogen-containing birth control pills are at a 3- to 6-fold increased risk of developing blood clots. Blood clots may lead to deep vein thrombosis, heart attack, or stroke. Additional causes of blood clots include advanced age, obesity, family history, recent surgery, and pregnancy. Low-dose (less than 50 mcg of ethinyl estradiol) oral contraceptives pose less risk than older, higher-dose formulations. Cigarette smoking increases the risk of blood clots in women using combination contraceptives, particularly for women older than 35 years and those who smoke more than 15 cigarettes per day.

from this website: http://www.emedicinehealth.com/understanding_birth_control_medications_contrace/article_em.htm

We currently use NFP and condoms. I will never get an IUD. I was on birth control pills when I was younger, LoOvral which is the generic of LoOgesterol I believe. I haven't taken BCP since 2008 and feel much better when I don't take them.

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We're TTC, but even if we weren't we'd be using NFP. But we're the bad Catholics who hated me on BCP (which was years ago at this point) and have realized that we're not going to mess with nature. Personal decision. Maybe if I was extremely fertile I might feel differently, but I'm not so NFP will be it for us until DH goes off for the big V one day.

Anytime you introduce something foreign to your body (physically or chemically) there are going to be risks. Always. Just a matter of weighing the risks and knowing what you're most comfortable with.

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I used bcp before we started ttc our first. Now we just use condoms. I never had any problems with the pill, but I don't feel like putting chemicals in my body every day at this point when we don't dtd very often anymore. Plus, I felt like it took me a while to start ovulating after I stopped the pills and since we want to start ttc another one in the next few months or so and I was breastfeeding dd regularly up to age 1, it just wasn't worth it for the amount of time I would be on them. I think we will stick to condoms until we are done with our family then I will have to sound out dh for the big V.

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I hate BCPs! I blame them for a lot of our TTC problems and they just overall made me feel blah. I'm with Jackie on this one. For us, it's been condoms for the last 8 years and then after this baby it'll be the big V. I'm just not okay with the IUD nor the BCPs. Good luck with your decision. I like to leave big decisions like this up to fate, flip a coin Biggrin

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Is it weird that I am pretty much ok with dh getting the big v? Is that wrong? I mean.. I know it is what he really wants. He has been going on about it since Chloe was born. and he did mention it while I was pregnant..
I however.. went from being done, to having a baby, to thinking about conceiving one more before I was 30. I mean I am only 23.
It seems weird for someone our age to have the big v! At least to me it does.

I know I am back and forth with it.. but like tonight I am thinking it is the way to go. Why risk my health and put all that crap in my body when my dh is completely done. He is not gonna want more and it would be wrong of me to try and convince him into another one.
My kids are thankfully perfect and healthy and that is all I prayed for after our loss. I wanted just one more and then I'd be good! Oh I guess I haven't mentioned that whole part.. but that also plays a major role. It is STRESSFUL to worry about being pregnant and to try to get pregnant after having an ectopic pregnancy. The first few weeks are hell. I NEVER want to relive that and honestly, conceiving is pretty scary to me. I also have had high blood pressure with both times I have been pregnant.

so... at this point in time the big v it is. Makes me a little sad that I will never hold a cute little baby again. Dh has promised to let me get a little cute dog if I get baby fever.... lol

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When to stop having kids is an intensely personal decision but its one that takes two to decide. If your DH is going to get the big V you, you need to be 100% on board. Its not any more his decision than it is yours. You don't want regret hanging over your head. If you feel like you're not ready just find another way.

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Erin is correct... I thought I never wanted to have anymore kids after the first one.. I was very young too, but over time I eventually wanted another one. That was about 5 years later.. Defiantly something to really think about..

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NFP here too!

An other thing that many people do not know about all the hormones in birth control is that they don't stay in the body.
They get peed out, go into the water streams and mess with fish. There are many studies that show an outstanding amoung of female fish vs male in the streams near water treatment facilities.

Male fish exposed to artificial estrogen develope female features and loose their sperm.

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"Louiseab" wrote:

NFP here too!

An other thing that many people do not know about all the hormones in birth control is that they don't stay in the body.
They get peed out, go into the water streams and mess with fish. There are many studies that show an outstanding amoung of female fish vs male in the streams near water treatment facilities.

Male fish exposed to artificial estrogen develope female features and loose their sperm.

YES!! This is exactly what I'm doing my PhD dissertation on. Its not just fish they mess with. Our water treatment facilities are not equipped to remove most pharmaceuticals. It is mostly unknown what effect BCP hormones have on aquatic organisms and what effect those hormones have further "down stream", ie on the critters that eat those critters (us!).

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Oh yum. Blum 3

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oh wow! That is pretty scary. Is there anything we can eat/drink that wont kill/harm us???

Dh and I were gonna talk last night.. he said he wanted to but we just never got around to it I guess. I know it isn't just his decision. He knows that too. He tells me "I know you are gonna change your mind" but he also says "I don't want you to regret anything, we need to talk about this some more and get on the same page".. so IDK what that really means. More than likely him shooting down all my "reasons" why having around would be good. I think the issue is he has always wanted two, I have always wanted three. His parents had 4 kids and he remembers the good times before the last two came along. His dad just could not afford to have all those kids and his mom wouldn't get a job if her life depended on it. I understand that he can only provide for the amount of kids we have now. I don't want another now... in the future is what gets me. I don't know how I will feel when I am 30.. what if I want another? I plan to go to college to be a nurse when Chloe starts pre school. Trevor starts school this year and I was thinking about looking into it more. Like see if there is anything online I can do.
I will have a job in the future.. but then he brings up that he doesn't want to take away more attention from the two we already have.. I really think how he grew up affects how he sees it all. My parents had 3 kids and we did ok. We didn't have enough money to do fun stuff but we didn't starve either. That is where I think it changes for him because his family did starve...
I think if I had a income coming in and he could see more into the future than me saying I want another some day than he may be more willing but really I have no idea still because he brings up the whole attention part.. and having more than we can handle.

stupid adult decisions.. Why is being a adult so hard?! lol. I'm sorry to bring all this up to ya'll.. my bff says she thinks the big v is too extreme but she thinks that same way I do and her dh thinks the same way as glenn. My mom would be useless because she thinks I can just pop them out and everything be fine..
I needed more opinions from people who are not involved... Thanks everyone!!

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Ashley, I know its sucks to be on BCP but you can take measures, that dont require you taking something.. There is always VCF, condoms, diaphragm. VCF works pretty good, and you just stick it up there right before the fun time.. lol

It works for us everytime, except for the time I didnt use it.. That is how Natalie is natalie.. lol

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I've heard about the pharmaceuticals that get into the drinking water before. It's scary stuff. Seems like we can't eat or drink anything that isn't harmful to us in some way.

I'm the oldest of 5, and despite the screaming fight I just had with my sister, we are a close family. My parents did not have the funds to support 5 kids at all, but like you, we never starved. It definitely makes it harder with each kid you have, financially, so that's always a consideration. I always thought I wanted a bigger family (at least 4), but now I'm not so sure anymore. At the moment I'm thinking 2 is going to be it for us. DH wants at least one more. I'm not ready to do anything permanent after this one in case baby fever hits in a year or two.

I will never do hormonal again. I was on the depo shot for years and then switched to bcp's. I was on Seasonelle for a couple of years (the first 4 periods a year pill) and then switch to another regular type pill. I began to have issues where I'd bleed/spot for 2 to 3 weeks a month. A month before my wedding I went in and had a Depo shot because I didn't want any 'surprises' on my honeymoon. When I was on the depo the first time I never had any periods. We decided not to get another shot and TTC instead once the shot ran out. It took 6 months for my periods to become somewhat regular and then another 2 years to conceive after that. All that being said, we will likely use NFP because I am certainly not doing anything hormonal at all.

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LOL Lauren yeah.. we can't have that "one time" right now.. that is the problem. We were fine with using condoms.. we used them for years but one night we both got drunk (kids stayed at the grandparents) and when we got up we were naked in bed together.. that has NEVER happened before and I was freaking out because that was near ovulation time too... I think that is why we are both kinda freaking out about something more extreme. We couldn't even stay in our apartment anymore if I were to have another right now. We are at the limit of 2 people per room.. next size up we have to pay bills and that would take away all of our vacation/extra spending money. of course, I don't think we will ever both get drunk at the same time again..

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Anna I don't blame you. That is crazy how all those hormones can affect so much. My old friend couldn't conceive for years due to the depo shot. I thought about getting the depo shot because really I don't want another anytime soon anyway, if ever. but I read something about it causes bone loss after a long period of time and I don't want to risk that..

I wish there was something that was fool proof without major complications..

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I didn't know that about the hormones leaving your body through waste. That is crazy! I did want to mention something about the depo shot though....besides the issue with bone density, you can see what a toll it takes on your body just by looking at a pap test. The pap of a woman who is on depo is almost identical to that of a menopausal woman. The cells don't look like that of a normal cycling female. Just from seeing that (from a lab perspective) I wouldn't ever want to be on depo. But if that is something that someone feels is best for them, then that's fine too. I just know it's not for me.

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"Newlywed630" wrote:

I wish there was something that was fool proof without major complications..

There is, it's called abstinence.....wait, maybe divorce would be considered a major complication LOL!

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"momW" wrote:

There is, it's called abstinence.....wait, maybe divorce would be considered a major complication LOL!

For realzz.. lol

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"momW" wrote:

There is, it's called abstinence.....wait, maybe divorce would be considered a major complication LOL!

HAHA, yeah I would consider that a major complication! Smile

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Depo scares me. I'm extremely sensitive to BCP hormones and not being able to remove them or stop taking them scares the dickens out of me. That's why I have the IUD. I simply can't take BCPs without becoming a homicidal lunatic and having another right now would really screw our life plans. Condoms worked for me for a decade!

Warning ... here comes the college pusher (I have a problem) ... you should totally look into taking classes! Most community colleges offer on-line Gen Ed courses and you can get all sorts of financial aid to pay for them. I bet you're eligible for Pell Grants. Gen Ed courses transfer pretty much everywhere so you can them through just about any institution. I took most of my Gen Ed courses at a community college in Albuquerque and they were some of the best courses I've ever taken.

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"momW" wrote:

There is, it's called abstinence.....wait, maybe divorce would be considered a major complication LOL!

Don't be so sure about that! Divorce was the absolute best thing I EVER did for my sex life. Wink

I'm on Mirena, and I like it so far. I love that I barely have a period, and I've not noticed any other side effects. My bf also happens to have a vasectomy, so I think we're pretty safe. I haven't decided once the 5 yrs is up w/ this Mirena if I will replace it with another. It will depend on how I feel then.

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"Vstarr" wrote:

Don't be so sure about that! Divorce was the absolute best thing I EVER did for my sex life. Wink

haha! yeah, we kind of noticed that Biggrin

And YES to what Erin said about college! I have been taking classes off and on since I graduated high school. I only had one kid at the time I was going full time but seriously, it can be accomplished a lot easier than you think! It also had this great side effect of making me feel incredible because I was doing something I thought impossible and I was really good at it as an adult!

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I really have been thinking about it. I need to just go up to the community college and ask. My issue is having someone to watch the kids during the day time. I have my mom but she isn't the best at keeping up with them.. I know she trys but these kids are a handful. Dh's sister has the energy and a car incase of a emergency..but she works everyday till 3 and I don't think dh would be able to keep up with the kids after work by himself everyday.. he has a manual labor type of job and usually he isn't dieing when he gets home but 3 out of 5 days he is and again with the kids. If I could find something to start me off online that would be great. If it was only like twice a week that would also work.
I don't know what I would do with myself if I actually had to get out of the house lol!!! I know I need to.. I tend to just stay home and do stuff around the house all day and play with the kids. It would be nice to actually get out and learn something.

I worry because my elementary school years were a waste. I went to a very poor school and I honestly think they passed me just to pass me. I went to a new school district starting my 7th grade year. That helped but I was never able to catch up with most things along with the teachers that took a 70 and passed me..
high school was way too easy and I almost think that the things that they taught us were too easy.
I worry I will end up in college and not know what I am doing at all..

I am sure ya'll have noticed my spelling pretty much sucks and also my wording. I need to find something online to work on that.. math is a whole other story... maybe once Trevor starts pre school I can go and look into all that....