Breastfeeding issues

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Breastfeeding issues

I'm between a rock and a hard place here. I feel like my supply is drying up despite my best efforts. I pump after nursing Lyla to try to get my production up, but it doesn't work. I drink plenty of water and I still nurse Lyla about every 2.5 hours. Part of the reason that I'm having to nurse so often is that I dont' think she's getting enough, she never seems satisfied and gets frustrated while nursing.

I can still pump about 8 ounces first thing when I wake up, but I always end up giving Lyla a bottle of expressed BM when she wakes up. The only time she will go more than 2 hours between feedings is when I give her about 5 ounces of BM in a bottle (which she generally chugs like she's starving). I can't feed her all day on the 8 ounces I pump in the morning though, and my body doesn't make enough the rest of the day.

To add to all of that, the pain when she nurses is EXCRUCIATING! It feels like my nipples are on FIRE, it hurts soooo bad. I've been really considering switching her to formula, having already met my 6 month goal, but part of me rebels against that. Let's not forget how insanely expensive formula is!

What do you think?

:fallingbricks: Ugh! Can you tell I'm having a bad night? I'll probably come look at my threads in the morning and hate myself for all this stupid whining. . . And I had one more I was gonna post, but I think I'll reign myself in. . . :digging:

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Wow, I've never pumped 8oz in my life. 4.5oz is my personal best and 2oz is my new average at my peak point in the day. Odin eats about every 2ish hours as well. Its exhausting sometimes but at least he is eating faster now. The few times we have given him a bottle I do notice that he is frustrated with some of the nursing sessions after. I think he'd like if my milk came out as fast as the bottle and it was one long let
down rather than the 3 shorter ones my body gives him. Could be something like that for Lyla rather than your body not making enough, especially if she is growing well.

As for the pain, that doesn't sound good at all. I had major pain with DS1 due to him being tounge tied but that happened right away from he beginning and lasted weeks until he was clipped. This time I had fire burning pain, even when not nursing, due to non-stop thrush. I still take a probiotic 3x a day for it and find that it totally helps when I take it and it returns when I don't. Totally seek out a LC or doctor that you can run by the nipple pain because you shouldn't be in pain like that this far in the game for no reason.

Hang in there mama!

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"AnnaRO" wrote:

To add to all of that, the pain when she nurses is EXCRUCIATING! It feels like my nipples are on FIRE, it hurts soooo bad. I've been really considering switching her to formula, having already met my 6 month goal, but part of me rebels against that. Let's not forget how insanely expensive formula is!

could this be thrush? i had it when Lucas was about 2 months and my nipples burned like crazy after he ate and i almost screamed in pain when he latched on...

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Yeah, that pain sounds like something you need to have checked out, maybe thrush. It can still happen at this point.

I found out recently that I can't give Clara a bottle or I pay for it later. I've had to up her meals to 3x a day and they all include oatmeal. I make a few servings and then blend it up real good and keep it in a storage thing in the fridge and just put a serving in a bowl and add the baby food to it. The oatmeal seems to be helping keep her full. Before I started doing that she was too hard to console, just seemed starving. Now, the only time she gets crazy hungry is when DH gives her a bottle once in a while. She goes after my boob like she's being starved and gets so frustrated. It's making me a little crazy cause with DS, he was so much bigger than her and it didn't matter if he had 3 bottles a day, he was fine with what I was producing, never got frustrated. With Clara, I try to make sure that when she gets a bottle, she doesn't also get one of her food meals and then the next nursing after the bottle I feed her food before or after she nurses. That seems to help a lot! Yesterday she actually did 6 hours between feedings, but I was feeding her green beans at the funeral lunch so that probably helped hold her off. She was ravenous but it felt good to have that space between, that's by far the biggest gap between nursing for us.

Formula is insanely expensive, but maybe you could get WIC if you decide to switch. Either way, congrats for making the 6 month mark.

Don't feel stupid for whining, if I had more time to be on here I have lots I'd like to whine about, but for now I'll just say I hate that my time keeps getting sucked up and I can't be on here as much as I want Sad

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First off - CONGRATS on reaching your 6M GOAL!!!!! Biggrin That's awesome Anna!!

Ouch!! I have no idea why your poor boobies would hurt like that; as I haven't had thrush before; but pp's may be right... I would probably check on it w your Dr... I hate when my letdown happens, it's kinda painful for me... but it's not like what you described... The rest of your thread sounds just like me tho. I can pump in the morning on a good day 6oz & Sophie normally gets it at her first awake for the day feeding. After that pumping is a lost cause. I can't even get an ounce outta me when I pump for 15mins after each BF session w Sophie... and it doesn't seem like it makes the next session w her anymore enjoyable for her. She gets frustrated while BFing; will pull and yank at my nipple, bite down (Thank God for no teeth yet!!), unlatch, yell at my boob and then attack my boob like she hasn't eaten in a week!! The only time she is happy is when my letdown occurs, and then she settles, sucks back every last drop. Then starts the whole 'lets eat my mommy's nipple' process all over again. I've been doing what I can as well to increase my supply or atleast keep it from dwlinding but nothing seems to be helping...

Wow, sorry if it looks like I hijacked your thread, lol, that wasn't my intent... just wanted you to know we're in the same boat!! I totally understand how you feel & I get your frustration.

If you do decide to wean; I completely support your decision! I'm told it's best to do it slowly tho... replace a feeding or two a day w a bottle... this way it's easy on your baby and on your boobies... and slowly increase bottle feedings through-out the weaning process until Lyla is completely on the bottle. Maybe you could do a half and half deal... maybe nurse in the morning until lunch and then the afternoons are bottles; or something like that; maybe just nurse in the evenings and the rest of the day are bottles; that way you don't feel bad or guilty... You have to remember, a happy mom has a happy baby... and you've got to do what works best for you!! Formula is def expensive, but at the same time, your sanity is worth waaaaaaaaaaaaay more!! Biggrin

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Let me just say that I will support any decision you make. Wean, don't wean, become an EPer, hell, feed her nothing but jello, you're one helluva awesome mom and you rock! And you're purdy :p. OK, now I'm going to frame my response around the assumption that you want some encouragement to continue BFing. Please please please understand that this is coming from a place of support and love and NOT a place of judgement. If I were in your shoes, I'd want you ladies to give me nice firm slap in the face followed by a big hug. If you don't want that, don't read on ..... stop here and accept a :bigarmhug:

You've made it to the easy part! It may not seem easy right now with the boob pain and Lyla's attitude to the boob but you CAN solve all that and still hold on to BFing. Definitely get that nipple pain checked out. It should not hurt at this point unless something is wrong. I get the occasional tender spot when little miss T's teeth let loose but it's nothing compared to what you're describing. As for feeling like you're drying up, that's completely normal. I am prolific Boob Milk woman and even I feel empty a good portion of the day. I used to be able to pump 15 oz, 15! in one sitting and now I get maybe 6. If Lyla's healthy (which, judging by her pudgy cuteness I assume she is) and you're not supplementing then you are producing just the right amount. If you weren't she'd be losing weight like mad. Even if she isn't gaining much she's more than likely just fine. More than just fine, perfectly perfect. If she's acting hungry it's probably because she is and she's trying to boost your supply to accommodate a growth spurt. She will boost your supply way better than your pump. If you think she's starting to prefer the bottle make sure you're using slow flow nipples and maybe cut down on the number of bottles you're giving her each day. Your sanity is most certainly as important as her health and if pumping/weaning helps you maintain both, go for it! When you're in a rough spot weaning might seem like the way out but if you do, you'll lose the ability to soothe her with nursing, you'll have to wash a ton of bottles, you'll have to shell out a load of cash to buy formula, and you'll probably have some mixed feelings about it. Plus, BFing releases all those wonderful calming cuddle hormones. Where would we be without them? If it were me, I'd try to hold on to BFing with every ounce of my energy because for me the alternative would so much more work and the guilt would be too much to bear. The number 1 reason I BF is because I am lazy and I don't have time to mess with bottles. If you think BFing is rough, imagine getting out of bed in the middle of the night, fixing her a bottle, and not having the boob to help calm her. Sure, you could supplement but that's a slippery slope. For the vast majority of women, BFing is simple supple and demand. Let Lyla determine your supply by demanding what she needs. It really is that simple. So, go get your nipples checked out and get back to it! Go Anna Go! You can do it!

And since I know you'll have read all this regardless of what your feelings were on the matter, I'll end with another :bigarmhug: and a reminder that I will support you in anything you do because you're awesome and purdy. (I only "hang out" with awesome purdy people on-line, yeah I'm stuck up like that)

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Yahoo for making your 6 months goal! Definitely worth celebrating. :mrgreen:

My first thought is thrush. No matter what, get it checked out. Something is going on because pain like that is not normal. Sometimes I'm sore due to DS deciding that he wants to be lazy with his latch (where he gets taken off and then I treat him like a newborn to get him back on correctly). One thing to keep in mind is that if it's thrush, stopping BFing will not make it go away. I've heard that thrush could affect the baby's latch too, which could be affecting your supply. Sad

As far as pumping goes, no idea what I could pump since I haven't pumped in a very long time. But I guarantee it's not 6 oz. (I NEVER pumped that much even when engorged. lol.) I always feel deflated these days. DS is not losing weight, so I assume that all is well. He does eat like crazy some days. This morning he wanted to eat for an hour. I let him while I read a book. Yesterday afternoon and early evening, he'd was eating for 5 minutes every 2 hours. Babies are weird.

And remember that we're here to help and support you! Whine away. Biggrin

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just wanted to add, if it IS thrush that probiotics will get rid of it:) also all purpose nipple ointment is AMAZING. and you don't have to wash it off. i got a prescription from a lc.

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Thanks Ladies!

Erin, :giveflower:

I think part of the problem is that the pediatrician said she should not be nursing more often than every 4 hours. She still eats about every 2 hours. When she gets solids, she still wants to nurse after. It's unpleasant when it's so painful and then she keeps popping off acting frustrated and then acts like she is still hungry after. Part of me feels like it would be easier to wean, but I guess I'm not really ready to do that since I feel terrible about doing that.

It sucks when you feel like you have no idea what you are doing. As a mom, I want to do what is best for my child ALWAYS, despite what's best for me. I know that I need to take care of me in order to be able to take care of her though. . .

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"AnnaRO" wrote:

I think part of the problem is that the pediatrician said she should not be nursing more often than every 4 hours. She still eats about every 2 hours. When she gets solids, she still wants to nurse after.

and i say they need a kick in the butt!!;)

lucas eats every two hours, sometimes less. he also wants a bottle after he eats 4 cubes (small ones) of food and he is now on formula. I totally know how you are feeling because i have people in my ear saying what he "should" be doing. i think (hope) i am starting to learn to ignore them all and just go by his cues. I say if she is hungry, forget the every 4 hours thing:)

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Only every 4 hours?! HA, ha, ha, ha, ha! Yeah...right. :rolleyes: Obviously that isn't happening here. The longest DS goes at night is 4 hours. Last night it was every 3. I feel like DS is fairly normal here too.

Definitely gotta figure out what's giving you pain though. Sad

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Congrats on making it to your 6 mo goal! :party: That's awesome!!!

My ped said that they should be eating about every 4 hours here as well, but I think that is WRONG!! Even on formula, Luke is still taking a bottle every 3 hrs, plus some solids thrown in there as well. They will eat when they are hungry, not when some doc says they are supposed to eat. And I agree w/ the others about possible thrush. I think you definitely need to get it checked out. You definitely shouldn't be in that much pain now.

I know how hard it is to make the decision to keep going or to wean. Once you stop, you really can't go back, so it needs to be what is best for you. And what's best for me isn't necessarily best for you, or the next person, and so on. For me, my decision was based on the fact that I am a single mom working full-time, and pumping was taking away time from my babies, since I had to work extra to make up my pumping time. I had to decide what was more important. Plus I wasn't pumping enough so I was supplementing anyways. And I'm on WIC, so I get his formula for free. Thank goodness, b/c formula is expensive! Also, Luke doesn't wake in the middle of the night to eat anymore and I can calm him down w/o nursing him, so all that played into my decision. Now if my situation was different and I was a SAHM, or even working just part-time, I probably would have kept bf b/c it is easier sometimes.

(((((HUGS))))) You're doing a fantastic job and you are a wonderful mommy. Vent away anytime and as much as you need to! We will all support you whatever you decide.

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You are doing an awesome job and whatever you decide you know you will have a whole board of people here to support you. You have made it through the hardest part, the first 6 months. It does sound like you have thrush so maybe get that checked out by the doctor. I am suffering extreme pain at the moment because of a crack the size of the grand canyon so I know the feeling, I can't pump on that side so have to hand express at work.
Doctors will tell you what textbook baby should be doing, unfortunatly I have never met textbook baby and most babies have their own needs and schedules that don't line up with textbook babies needs and schedules. DSome nights Ronin feeds every hour for over 20 mins at a time, the doctors textbook baby knowledge says this shouldn't happen, but for me I can see it's what he needs because as he feeds I can see his little body slowly wind down and relax.

You are an awesome Mum and doing a great job, Lyla wouldn't be the happy (and I know you are having issues with clingy, crying baby right now, but deep down she is happy), healthy, beautiful girl she is if you weren't. Being a Mum is the hardest job in the world and it doesn't help that it is also the lowest paid, no chances of promotion, the team your mamnaging just get bigger, they throw tantrums and you can't fire them, and is oiften the least recognised or appreciated position around, but like most of us we wouldn't trade it for anything.
And I'm sorry if I didn't make much sense, I am beyond exhausted lately.

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That is what they think may be normal but that sounds more like a FF baby to eat every 4 hours. You def. should get checked out because your boobs shouldnt be hurting at 6 months. Natalie also eats pretty much every 3 hours and that is with her eating solids too. I think that you should make an appt about the pain and if nothing helps than maybe wean but dont wean until you at least see whats going on because that may be the problem.. After that it might be an easier decision without regret.

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Hope you're feeling better today!

I was just gonna say that all my babies have nursed AT LEAST every 2 hours. And I use that as a great excuse to sit down and do nothing!! ROFL

KUP!

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I love this board...what an amazing group of women! I agree with everyone!

Sounds like thrush or a bacterial infection. This sounds crazy, but I heard that Selsun Blue will kill yeast on your nipples...I have had really bad thrush with all 3 and I've tried everything, including $80 probiotics for me and baby!, but this time I used Selsun Blue on my nips while showering, and the thrush disappeared. Coincidence? Maybe. But I think it works.

My ped also told me Owen is eating too much at night. Whatever. I nurse him whenever I feel like it and he is happy and healthy. He's MY baby and I know how to care for him. It's okay to disagree with your ped, they don't know your baby like you do. The end. Smile

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"misskaci" wrote:

but this time I used Selsun Blue on my nips while showering, and the thrush disappeared. Coincidence? Maybe. But I think it works.

that is great. I have never, ever heard of that! I'm going to lock that away in my brain for future reference.

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Congrats on making your 6 M mark! WTG!

As for weaning, I am in the process of starting to wean after 3 months of fighting with supply issues caused by Charlotte's hospitalization. (I was forced to pump and FF and was sooooooooooooooooooooooooo stressed out that it killed my supply) I haven't been able to pump more than 2 oz since then. I definitely support both fighting through and weaning.

Whatever you choose you are still a great mommy and we will support your choice no matter what. ♥