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What kind of things do your LO's know? Counting, letters, colors, shapes, etc. Do you work on teaching them things at home, and those in daycares- do they work on teaching them anything?

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I work on things at home and they work on them at day care. He knows how to count, consitently to 7 but he knows to 10 easily, colours and we are working on the whole alphabet. The problem is he is so stubborn and even day care says he knows more than he shows. With counting especially I get him to count things as we are out and about like how many stairs etc, it's never accurate but it gets him cpounting, same with colours.

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Addy knows all of her colors, can count to the high teens (and is pretty good at actually counting objects, although sometimes she keeps going too far, lol), knows basic shapes, can sing the whole alphabet by herself, and can identify some written letters (A, B, O, I, and X she's solid on...others like M and C I think she has, but they are fuzzier) We do work on stuff like that a lot, but not really in a formal way, we've just always tried to work it in when we're out and about and doing things with her. You know, like saying "let's put on your purple shirt now" while getting dressed or "Let's get three tomatoes...one, two three", ever since she was tiny.

Her school does work on that stuff too (they're more like a preschool than a daycare) but since she's one of the oldest in her class, she's often already pretty solid on what they're learning--I don't mind, though, since I'm sure it helps solidify the concepts anyway.

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We've been working on counting, but the kid refuses to let me go past 4. He ignores me if we go past it or tells me no. lol
Not bothering with letters and shapes right now because I figure we should work on basic communication first. Wink I do point out shapes on his puzzles, cookie cutters with play dough fun, etc but he doesn't really care.
We are working on colors in the bathtub with his bath crayons (kids LOVES to color). ("This crayon is blue! I made the tree blue!") Interesting article about colors: Why Johnny Can't Name His Colors: Scientific American

I have tons of ideas for fun learning, but have realized that with Zoe coming and with Aiden's interests not being communication that I have to approach learning differently than what I was envisioning for this age. I spend a lot of time just using simple point blank language for things I'm not hearing words for. For things he does have words for (car, airplane, boat - transportation stuff) I use words to describe what we're doing as we play. Aiden never ceases to surprise me with what all he can do motor skills wise - which is also very important to be working on at this age. I'm sure once we get him communicating he'll take off with learning letters, shapes, numbers, etc as long as it's play based learning with something physical going on. lol

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Wow. Lyla doesn't know any of that. She tries to count but usually messes it up and does 2, 4, 6 when she means 1, 2, 3. She doesn't know any of her alphabet. I've tried teaching her all that stuff including colors but she has no interest in it at all. I haven't done anything formal but we have foam letters and numbers in various colors for the bath tub (the stick to the side of the tub when wet) and I use those to try to get her to learn during her bath. I always talk about what color her clothes are when I get her dressed etc. I don't think it's a matter of her intelligence as much as my inability as a teacher.

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I do lots of Ronin's learning while he is toileting. I have counting books, alphabet books etc that we go through, we sing songs, count, look at colours., I have a captive audience at those times so take advantage oif it

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I think it has a lot more to do with individual readiness to learn different things and different learning styles. A lot of kids don't seem to be learning or even paying attention, and then suddenly bust out with crazy knowledge later on (like one of my nieces would NOT. SIT. and listen to books, she'd be bouncing all around the room, talking and totally not seeming to pay attention. They wouldn't have bothered reading to her at all, but she had a older brother who loved being read to, so she'd be in the room while they were reading to him. Turns out that she had nearly every book practically memorized...she was listening and taking it all in. She just wasn't showing it.) Don't despair--most of the discrepancies in early learning even out by school age. From what you guys have said, Lyla and Aiden are not slow in any way--they're just super kinetic and focusing more on physical learning first.

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He counts 1-10. He knows most of alphabet but skips a few throughout. He solidly knows a few shapes..and a few colors. He doesn't attend daycare. Here we read daily. A few times a week we do something sensory like paint..playdoh..etc. we also do flash cards. We incorporate counting and colors in everything we do daily. It really helped with his counting but colors not so much. An app taught him the majority of animals and the sounds they make..

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Speaking of.. where do u get your books.. they are expensive!

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Well, I got lucky--I used to work in children's publishing and kept all my old samples so I had a ton just from that! And I had some of my old books from childhood too (although a lot were lost in a flood :()
For buying books, we have a really great used bookstore here where you can trade in old stuff (including DVDs, electronics, even some housewares) and get credit to use at the store. I used to work there and we always bring our stuff there when we're cleaning out so we have literally hundreds of dollars in credit there. Since the books are used and half price anyway...that buys a lot of books with fake money! Smile If we didn't have that, I'd just buy books at thrift stores, regular used bookstores, library booksales, etc., and maybe a few nice new ones at holidays. Yes, they are expensive!

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We go to the library weekly. I also had a workmate give me heaps of her sons old books so I was very lucky. We have been goign to library weekly since Ronin was tiny, he got his own card at 3 months old. Now we walk in and he tells me kids room and runs down there and when we check the books out he has to hand his card over

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Yes, libraries are great--we'd go a lot more if we didn't have Bookman's. There are also some good children's book-of-the-month clubs out there...Dolly Parton's Imagination Library gives you a free book every month for kids under 5. It's not available everywhere (I can't get it here) but worth looking into...

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"jperry5683" wrote:

Speaking of.. where do u get your books.. they are expensive!

Garage/yard sales, library sales, family members (always keep several on Aiden's "wish list", scholastic online (watch for sales!), dollar sections (Target and some Walmarts both have $1 books and then there's the Dollar Tree), Kohl's cares $5 books, and Dolly Parton Imagination Library (free book each month). We have sooooo many books (well over 100) and yet I find it hard to pass up books....*sigh*

"AnnaRO" wrote:

Wow. Lyla doesn't know any of that. She tries to count but usually messes it up and does 2, 4, 6 when she means 1, 2, 3. She doesn't know any of her alphabet. I've tried teaching her all that stuff including colors but she has no interest in it at all. I haven't done anything formal but we have foam letters and numbers in various colors for the bath tub (the stick to the side of the tub when wet) and I use those to try to get her to learn during her bath. I always talk about what color her clothes are when I get her dressed etc. I don't think it's a matter of her intelligence as much as my inability as a teacher.

Definitely not your inability as a teacher. In the end most kids even out by 7-8 years old. It doesn't matter who reads at 3 or not till 6, who could count to 100 by 2, etc. It's more important that we support them in their current interests (which is why our Hot Wheels collection is rapidly growing here) and play with them. From what you've said Lyla is more of a do-er anyways like Aiden. lol

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Teagan knows her basic colors (I mean, she doesn't bust out CHARTREUSE or anything), shapes (DH is desperately trying to teach her the geometrically proper terms, ie elipse vs oval), a few letters, and can count to three. She sings "A,C,C" over and over again rather than singing the whole ABC song. We teach her things informally at home. She has a bunch of letter and number magnets on the fridge and we practice saying letters on there sometimes. She gets it at daycare too but its not like they have formal lessons or anything. They work it into their day with the things they do, including books. I'm really not at all worried about her memorizing such things right now. I know she'll get it all eventually. We are actively fostering a love of books. We probably read a dozen books at bed time and she reads tons throughout the day. I'm a big fan of the library and used book stores.

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"alwayssmile" wrote:

Definitely not your inability as a teacher. In the end most kids even out by 7-8 years old. It doesn't matter who reads at 3 or not till 6, who could count to 100 by 2, etc. It's more important that we support them in their current interests (which is why our Hot Wheels collection is rapidly growing here) and play with them. From what you've said Lyla is more of a do-er anyways like Aiden. lol

Totally! As long as you're giving her plenty of interaction and stimulation, you're doing great.

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i always feel like he is not getting enough stimulation at home Sad he gets lots at daycare

the only colour he knows is purple. we have flash cards that i try to go through with him every night, but it ends up being more like a couple of times a week because he has to be in the proper mood to pay attention.

he can't really count, but if we say "one" he will say "two" and then squeal "three"

doesn't know shapes or letters, though he tries with letters what comes out just doesn't make sense. He sings the alphabet like Teagan.

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Yeah, Lyla is definitely way into physical activities. Her motor skills are incredible. In her defense, she does know her animals and really loves fish and the moon. DH showed her the horses at his friends house where he stays during the week. She loves them and begged to go look at them again yesterday. One of them came up real close to her so she could pet him and she told DH, "No, ugly horsey!" Her language is really starting to explode and she's very observant. One day about 2 weeks ago the IL's were here after FIL had some spots on his face treated so he was looking pretty bad. At one point Lyla walked over to him with my burp rag and handed it to him and told him to wipe his face off. It was hilarious. She just loses interest immediately when I actively try to teach her things like numbers, letters and colors.

Justine, I got a BUNCH of Disney books at a garage sale when I was pg with Lyla and a Mother Goose nursery rhyme book. The pediatrician gives us a cardboard book at every visit too. I just keep an eye out for them and buy them when I find them cheap. I've had a few scores at Ross too.

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Rowan counts to eleven in English and ten in Spanish, and she knows her shapes and colors. She can identify all the letters of the alphabet and spell her first name, but she can't sing the alphabet song yet. She can recite most of her favorite books and she knows a bunch of songs (including some that are not appropriate for children that dh sings to her at bedtime).

We read to her a lot, and we go to the library 2-3 times a week. We used to get a lot of used books at the same store Leigh mentioned, but when they stopped having their weekly toddler music time, we stopped going as often. I've found books really cheap at thrift stores, but I have discovered that you have to inspect them carefully to make sure there are no penis drawings on them.

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Lainey knows her colors (as long as you don't ask her what they are, then she never gets them right. But I have noticed that just in casual conversation she identifies them all just fine). She can count to 10 and sing the alphabet song. She learns most of it from listening to us (and most of the credit goes to big sister).

I love the library, and DD1's firefly book orders from preschool. They always have a few good paperbacks for $1, and some are no more than $2.99 or $3.99.

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"BuckeyeK" wrote:

Lainey knows her colors (as long as you don't ask her what they are, then she never gets them right. But I have noticed that just in casual conversation she identifies them all just fine).

Argh, Adair does that too, with letters! It's so annoying. That's why I'm not totally sure what she knows, because if I ask her she gets all silly about it, but when she's just messing around I see her identify a lot more correctly. :roll: KIDS!

Addy's way into colors and has been since she was tiny...she talks about them incessantly! Animals too. Kids absorb what they're interested in first, and get around to the rest of it in good time. Everyone here sounds like they're totally age-appropriate to me!

Oh yeah, I forgot about the counting to ten in Spanish. Thanks, daycare. Biggrin

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Thank goodness my kid isn't the only one that doens't know a lot. It seems I hear these amazing stories of kids her age knowing so much that I'm really worried about it. Daycare does read to her a lot but thats about it. It's not a classroom setting at all. Next year she can start preschool there for 2 days a week though.
She does know star, purple(most of the time) but that's about it. She will sometime count 1,2,3 but usually just 1,2, jump.

Justine- I got a lot of Madisons books at Goodwill and at auctions.

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It's so hilarious to me that purple seems to be a near-universal first color!

I wouldn't worry at all, Molly! Kids are all over the place at this age, and it means nothing in long term outcomes. It's nice to be able to communicate, but that's about all. Preschool does have a big impact on school readiness, which does have long term outcomes, but none of us are there yet.

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I really like what Leigh said on page one. I totally agree that at this age its totally more about what your LO is into and ready for on their own regardless of how much 'stuff' you try to throw at them. They are all ready at their own pace and in their own time. And just because they aren't showing that they are absorbing it doesn't mean that they aren't soaking it all in.

Odin lives in a preschool and has since birth so we don't really to extra exposure beyond his daily stuff. He is exposed to a ton. He can count out loud and objects to three. Knows how to say a few random letters here and there without any context. He is actually more into letter sounds right now, again out of context. He will pick up a color if you say "go get the green ball" but doesn't really label things with colors. He has high interest in books and labeling animals but no interest in making animal sounds (lol). He is kinda all over the place but I know when he is ready will have already absorbed a ton. I have noticed he is really amazing with his fine motor control and can cut paper and build with his brother's really tiny lego already. Both things which DS1 could in no way do at this point. He is also very verbal and talks a ton about everything.

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Joy, he uses scissors? I've been tempted to get a pair of cuts paper only scissors for Aiden because he shows an interest in cutting when I'm doing my crafty stuff. He's so into art stuff and fine motor skills, but everything I read says over 3. Blum 3

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Evan knows his numbers to 10, although he loves to skip 9. He can say some of the alphabet, but not the whole thing. He does recognize most, if not all of his letters. He will see words somewhere and read the letters. We also have the letter/number magnet set for the refrigerator, he says what they are. He does his basic colors and several shapes. The kid knows hexagon and can tell apart an oval from a circle. Crazy. We have not even come close to attempting to use scissors. I'm a chicken!!

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I think most age recommendations are pretty conservative, and a lot more CYA statements by the company than one size fits all truths. If you know your kid and you think he'd do well with them, I say give it a closely supervised try!

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Jackie if he can figure out doors I bet he'll do okay with scissors.

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"redneckgirl82884" wrote:

Jackie if he can figure out doors I bet he'll do okay with scissors.

ROFL True. I'll use my Michael's coupon later today to pick up a pair. Worth a try!

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He could totally do scissors I bet Jackie.

Seriously if you are a little scissor shy I highly recommend these kind first...
Amazon.com: Fiskars 93907097 Pre-School Spring Action Scissors, Color may vary: Arts, Crafts & Sewing

Odin started with them at around 14 months and I always have my preschoolers start with these if they have had zero exposure to scissor use. After a little while they get the idea of opening the scissors back up after each cut. Odin used/usues a pair of fiskar scissors, blunt tip, metal blades with no problem and has for a while. Also 1/4 to 1/2 inch strips of good paper is awesome for them to practice on. Basically just snipping and making toddler confetti.

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"alwayssmile" wrote:

Joy, he uses scissors? I've been tempted to get a pair of cuts paper only scissors for Aiden because he shows an interest in cutting when I'm doing my crafty stuff. He's so into art stuff and fine motor skills, but everything I read says over 3. Blum 3

Ethan is very advanced in his fine motor skills and used scissors at 2 years old. He was very much like Aiden I think, very gross/fine motor and learning by doing. We just did a TON of sensory activities and art. I'd work on colors while pasting different colored paper to each other etc. Olivia totally can't use scissors and isn't advanced in fine motor. However, Ethan barely talked at 2 and Olivia speaks in sentences a ton. Her newest word is "bumpy" - came out with that one when we were driving home yesterday!

Olivia knows all the basic colors. She counts from 1-3 and then skips around with numbers after that. She can identify is she has one or two of something but not 3 or above. She doesn't know any of her letters but considering I'm struggling with teaching Ethan that I'm not surprised! She has some shapes - circle, star, heart. She's very much into animals and knows obscure ones like flamingo, polar bear, alligator and such. She can sing words to some songs enough that you know what she's singing. She's getting better with fine motor like building blocks, using a marker etc. She is also improving on her gross motor and can finally climb into chairs! Smile

It's really amazing how much they are all different! I also agree with the fact that just keep exposing them and they will learn eventually. Using their favorite things is also a great trick. Teaching colors of animals if they are into animals for example! Using blocks to count if they like to build.

We buy books at used book stores, Scholastic Book club (through daycare), and Savers also has books if you have that store.

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Olivia sounds very much like Adair (in June ;)) It is fascinating how different they all are...and so clearly just born that way. My MIL said once that parents should take a lot less credit AND a lot less blame for who their kids are. She's kind of right...I mean, of course it's our job to help them feel loved and teach them the ways of the world, and we can and should certainly help them maximize their individual potential, but they really are their own little people from the very beginning.

By the way, we were talking about hand preference a while back...I have been trying to pay more attention and Addy definitely uses both but still seems to be favoring her left. Very interesting. We have NO lefties that I know of in our family.

Her motor skills are totally average if not less...she still just scribbles with crayons in her fist and I can't imagine her being able to manipulate scissors! Maybe worth a try for some practice, though. Hm. She can barely put socks on, kinda pants, and doesn't even know where to start with shirts.

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It's interesting to me what our kids retain differently as well. I can't get Madison to count, ABC, etc most of the time, but she knows probably 20 animals and most of their sounds they make. Maybe more?

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Thanks Joy! Smile

It is totally interesting how each of these kids have their own spot where they excel in.

Aiden could care less about animals beyond cat and dog. Animal noises? HA HA HA.

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Leigh - try glue sticks and foam stickers as well for fine motor. Olivia can manage those but not the scissors. And forget about her trying to put clothes on. I can barely get her to help with putting her arm/leg into the holes!

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Yeah, Adair can pull things up/down (we've been practicing, for PT) but I have to get them on her first. I've been trying to give her a chance to put her panties on today but she ends up with both legs in one hole every time!

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Heck, I can barely get a leg in each hole myself. Lol

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