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Sleep? Mostly a vent :(

How is everyone's little ones sleeping? Mikayla is doing worse now than she was when she was younger, and we're tired and frustrated. She does every 3 hours overnight, sometimes less. This morning she ate at 4:45 but was up again to eat at 6:30. So, over night she ate at 11:15, 2:00, 4:45 and 6:30. That seems like a lot to me...is that how everybody else is doing?? I feel like we should lose one of those feedings, she is almost 9 weeks old now. She seems to have added a feeding in there and I can't seem to get rid of it. We are trying to do the babywise method where they eat every 3 hours during the day, stay awake for a bit after, then nap. Supposedly babies drop one of the feedings overnight at 7-9 weeks old but I don't see that happening. She doesn't seem to sleep well in her cradle. During the day she will sleep like a champ in her swing and will go more than 3 hours if I let her. She does A LOT of grunting at night after the second feeding (usually 3 or 4 am) and I can't sleep through that. I don't want to move her into her own room yet since she's still getting up to eat so many times at night. It wouldn't be as bad if we could sleep past 7, but our first gets up at about 7 every day - never fails. We've gotten Zantac from her DR yesterday and have given her 2 doses so far. Does anybody have any experience with Zantac? Does it work well? Our first was on Tagament and it worked wonders for him. We aren't 100% sure she even has reflux, it does seem like she might, but I just don't know.

Besides being completely exhausted from lack of sleep, trying to exercise to lose the weight, and trying to keep up with our almost 2 year old - I'm going back to work in a few weeks and we really need to have her sleeping a little better or I'm going to be a ZOMBIE at work!! I'm just so super frustrated...

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We had Zantac with DD2. It definitely didn't help her sleep wise, she seemed to be in less pain but she still wasn't a good sleeper and she still spit up all the time.
Isaiah slept 10:30pm-2:45am and then up again at 4:45am and again at just before 6. We're in the same boat, he slept MUCH better before and then a week ago he stopped. He used to go at least 5 hours, sometimes 8, at night. He is over 10lbs now so I know he *can* go longer (that and he did before while still gaining very well). Hopefully soon he'll get back to what he was at before, I'm going to try gripe water next time I can get to the store

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Seems weird, but since we've used Sleep Sacks with Ben he sleeps pretty good, we still get scattered cluster feedings, but 5 out of 7 days have been 5+ hours at night. I think he was just not "warm" enough. Hope she settles into less night feedings soon for you... its no fun to be without sleep!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hopefully, our version will make you feel better...Lily does not sleep more than 6 hours in a 24 hour time period and the other 18 hours are spent screaming. It could be worse. Sad

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"jessica2575" wrote:

Hopefully, our version will make you feel better...Lily does not sleep more than 6 hours in a 24 hour time period and the other 18 hours are spent screaming. It could be worse. Sad

I'm sorry you guys are still having problems with her. The Zantac hasn't helped? I did read today that its pretty dependent on weight. So the dosage should be changed if/when the weight changes. How much does she weigh, and how much medicine is she getting? I really hope you guys get some relief soon. Ryder was bad - not as bad as Lily - but I completely understand where you are coming from.

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I think the Zantac is helping with the vomiting a little but not with the crying and sleeping. She is like a 2 year old...she closes the eyes and then they pop back open as if to say that she cannot dare miss anything. I think the majority of the crying is due to over exhaustion but I do not know how to get her to "catch up" on her sleep. It just sucks right now.

We did an Upper GI yesterday to make sure that nothing is wrong and there is nothing wrong but we got to see the acid reflux in action so we do know that it really exists.

What gave you relief for Ryder? Does Mikayla have it?

Also, Lily does the grunting in her sleep which makes it impossible for me to sleep also...I am always waiting for the crying to begin. Smile

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I am sorry you guys are dealing with the reflux issues and such. That stinks Sad
As far as sleep, Cam does one good 4-5 hour stretch then it's every 1.5-2 hours or so.

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Ugh, I'm sorry you ladies are having a rough time. Emily sleeps pretty good right now, a combination of two things I think....
1. Use a noise machine anytime they sleep.
2.... the one most of you won't want to do, but i swear by it.....moved her into her own room with a noise machine. When in her own room I don't hear every grunt or noise she makes, but I can tell when she's waking up, she doesn't smell me constantly and want to nurse, and the noise machine has got her conditioned to its noise meaning sleep. Now if she's tired and I turn it on her eyes start rolling back in her head. As of two wks ago for usually 6 nights per Wk, she will go down at 8pm and only wake once until 7-8am. The other night she will get up earlier then normal therefore wanting an extra meal. We did this same thing with my dd1 and she is a fantastic sleeper.

I'm not preaching or anything and who knows if any of that would help you guys. Just wanted to share what has helped us bc i wanted to DIE before this kicked in! Her reflux has really been intense and hard to control.

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"jessica2575" wrote:

I think the Zantac is helping with the vomiting a little but not with the crying and sleeping. She is like a 2 year old...she closes the eyes and then they pop back open as if to say that she cannot dare miss anything. I think the majority of the crying is due to over exhaustion but I do not know how to get her to "catch up" on her sleep. It just sucks right now.

We did an Upper GI yesterday to make sure that nothing is wrong and there is nothing wrong but we got to see the acid reflux in action so we do know that it really exists.

What gave you relief for Ryder? Does Mikayla have it?

Also, Lily does the grunting in her sleep which makes it impossible for me to sleep also...I am always waiting for the crying to begin. Smile

We got relief with Ryder after switching his formula to Nutramigen and getting the reflux medicine. As soon as that happened, he ended up sleeping a good 4-5 hours every night. Which was a super great change from the 2-3 schedule he was on before. Even after the medicine he was great during the day. Before he would cry almost the whole time he was awake and was just super fussy. He would only sleep for 30 or so mins at a time during the day and it was terrible!

We think Mikayla has it. She is on Zantac right now twice a day. She seems to be better while she's awake but we're still working out the sleeping issue. We had one good night a couple nights ago and she went 4 hours then 3.5. Last night was a STRUGGLE...she did 1:15, 4:00, 5:45 and up at 7. I'm pretty over it at this point. My mom keeps pushing me to take a nap, but I really hate napping. And we've got Ryder to deal with during the day.

Anne - we are going to put her in her own room tonight. As much as I really don't want to, we're at a loss. The only thing thats going to be a huge pain is going in there multiple times a night. Plus we have to walk by Ryder's room to get to the room she'll be in, so I have no idea how that will go. We're trying it though, because I can't take the sleepless nights.

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It's normal for a baby to wake up that much at night to eat. I mean, look at their fists - that's the size their stomach is. Wink It gets empty pretty full. And babies just aren't wired to STTN at such a young age. I've got an 18 month old and a 5 week old. They both wake up throughout the night. It's exhausting. But at the end of the day I have two healthy, happy kids, so I always tell DH I can't complain too much. Wink It will get better. Eventually they must sleep. I tell myself that every day. Halloway and Lio are not going to leave for college needing momma in the middle of the night. Wink Or at least I hope not...

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I have no problem with Lily not sleeping through the night...I never have. My biggest thing is she sleeps less than 6 hours in a 24 hour time period and when she is awake she is eating or screaming. She is exhausted but either cannot or will not sleep.

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My boy does that "I can't miss anything" too. By the end of the evening he is soooo tired. Once they have their late feeding they do sleep a good 4 hours though. I think we'll be to dropping the middle of the night soon enough, which is a good thing since I'm on my own as of next week. DH usually sleeps through the night so he can go to work rested.
We try to put them in their cribs as much as possible at night, but lately I've been keeping them downstairs in their bouncy's or swing just so I'm not up and down the stairs multiple times every night. Will have to think about the noise machine. We have some cd's that once they turn on Zach calms down. He loves music though.
As for reflux, he's got that the worst. I'm starting to notice how uncomfortable he is once he spits up some. Am starting to think about meds. Dr and I didn't want to start them when he was so young if he wasn't in pain or anything...but I think it's getting more uncomfortable for him.
GOOD LUCK to all with their sleep and reflux issues!

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"kilahmaree" wrote:

It's normal for a baby to wake up that much at night to eat. I mean, look at their fists - that's the size their stomach is. Wink It gets empty pretty full. And babies just aren't wired to STTN at such a young age. I've got an 18 month old and a 5 week old. They both wake up throughout the night. It's exhausting. But at the end of the day I have two healthy, happy kids, so I always tell DH I can't complain too much. Wink It will get better. Eventually they must sleep. I tell myself that every day. Halloway and Lio are not going to leave for college needing momma in the middle of the night. Wink Or at least I hope not...

Lol! I would say that she is hungry and wanting to get up and eat, except that she doesn't always eat each time she gets up. We tried her in her own room last night and that was a fail. She still woke and didn't sleep well. Ate at 11, then up at 1:45, and again at 4:30. The only problem was at 4:30 she didn't eat at all. We kept trying, but she refused and fell back asleep in about 5 minutes in our bed. She doesn't sleep well anymore at all - not during the day, and especially not at night. Her ped recommended we put her back on the Nutramigen formula to see if that helps at all. I really wouldn't care as much about her waking up so many times at night, if she actually ate every time she woke up. Thats just not the case Sad Something seems to be wrong - she acts like she is uncomfortable. We are pretty sure she has a lot of gas, so we're going to give the Nutramigen a try (again) for a couple of days and if there isn't any improvement with how she acts during the day, the ped wants to have her go in and get checked out.

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Could it be from reflux? Maybe its making her uncomfortable so she wakes up?

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Its possible...I really have no idea! I'm so confused which is really making it worse! She is on .4mL of Zantac 2x a day. Seems like a super small amount, but I'm sure I'm just used to how much Ryder was taking when he was an infant. She is SOOOOO much happier during the day now that she is on the reflux meds and the Nutramigen. But it might be gas too? Last night we had her sleep in her swing and she was up only once to eat. The other 2 times, she never actually completely woke up, but was making all kinds of noise. So I picked her up and walked her around a little bit and she definitely passes some gas the first time. The second time I didn't even bother picking her up. I just put my head under my pillow and let her grunt until she went back to sleep on her own.

We will see how things go the next couple of nights. Its possible things are starting to turn around with the formula/medicine combo so hopefully she'll either sleep more, or eat when she wakes up at night. I'm good with either!

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"jaimers617" wrote:

She is on .4mL of Zantac 2x a day. Seems like a super small amount, but I'm sure I'm just used to how much Ryder was taking when he was an infant.

Lily is 8 lbs, 15 oz and she takes 1.3 mL 2x a day. I know it is done by weight but that seems like a tiny bit to me too (I am no Dr. obviously so what do I know).

Lily sleeps 4-5 hours at night in the bouncer chair but during the day I can barely get 30 minute naps out of her.

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Sorry I can't help with the reflux issues. we've never had to deal with that, knock on wood.
I agree with many recommendations for sleeping longer. Noise machine worked with our first. We also used the sleep sacks and swaddling and bundling them up. Right now we wrap Orion in 2 blankets, usually both alight fleece. They keep him super warm and both my boys LOVE to be warm.
Imvery lucky... Orion is up to 6 or 7 hours of sleep usually from midnight to 7am and then sleeps again until 10. And my toddler has been doing 14hour sleeps until 930 or 10 so I'm getting tons of sleep. It's only downfall is that when it ends I'm absolutely miserable for a bit until I adjust to lack of sleep again lol.
Orion will drink 10-12 oz from 8-12 at night before sleeping the 7 hours

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My little guy wakes about 3-4x/night, I think. I really don't know though, because he sleeps with me and I don't have to wake up to nurse him back to sleep. I think it's pretty common for babies to wake a lot this young still.