Attn Photoshop Users--I Need Your Help!

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Attn Photoshop Users--I Need Your Help!

I just learned that I am eligible for the educator discount on Photoshop products because I work for an educational institution within the U.S. military. (Yay!)

I would like to get a good editing software that will allow me to edit and print professional quality photos. (I'm trying to build a portfolio with hopes of doing some commercial photography in the not-too-distant future.) I've been using Gimp but have been told that Photoshop is more intuitive and user friendly.

Below are products that are offered. I'm interested in being able to edit still photos for print, web, and CD. I'm not interested in video production. Questions: Does anyone have experience with these? Could you give me feedback? I'd love it if the $199 CS5 suite could do all I need. Would CS5 alone with Lightroom be adequate?

Thank you for your feedback!!!

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Adobe Photoshop CS5 Extended ($199) (State-of-the-art editing, compositing, and painting capabilities in industry-standard Photoshop CS5, and experience fast performance thanks to cross-platform 64-bit support. Create 3D extrusions for logos, artwork, and motion graphics; edit 3D objects with advanced tools; and create and enhance motion-based content.)

Creative Suite 5 Design Premium ($449) (Combines Adobe Photoshop® CS5 Extended, Illustrator® CS5, InDesign® CS5, Flash® Catalyst™ CS5, Flash Professional CS5, Dreamweaver® CS5, Fireworks® CS5, and Acrobat® 9 Pro.)

Creative Suite 5 Master Collection ($899) (Combines Adobe Photoshop® CS5 Extended, Illustrator® CS5, InDesign® CS5, Acrobat® 9 Pro, Flash® Catalyst™ CS5, Flash Professional CS5, Flash Builder™ 4 Standard, Dreamweaver® CS5, Fireworks® CS5, Contribute® CS5, Adobe Premiere® Pro CS5 (with Adobe OnLocation™ CS5 and Encore® CS5), After Effects® CS5, Soundbooth® CS5, and more.)

Creative Suite 5 Design Standard ($299) (Combines Adobe Photoshop® CS5, Illustrator® CS5, InDesign® CS5, and Acrobat® 9 Pro.)

I can also get Lightroom for $89.

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Lightroom is great for about 80% of what I need- and MUCH easier to use. I got by with just photoshop for years but working with both photoshop and lightroom cuts down my editing time considerably.
If you're just looking at working with photos, lightroom and just the photoshop extended CS5 would work... the collection and the "design standard/premium" are mostly full of tools for web developers and publishers.

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I use Lightroom and Adobe Photoshop CS4...though I'm soon to upgrade to CS5. If I had to choose between the Lightroom and Photoshop...I'd pick Photoshop HANDS DOWN! It just does way more.

Yes, I do 90% of my work in Lightroom...but that last 10% in photoshop is really what makes my photos look professional..and more importantly, that last 10% CAN'T be done in Lightroom...and the 90% done in Lightroom, CAN be done in Photoshop.

However, if you can afford to get both Photoshop and Lightroom...do. It's a fantastic combo. Lightroom saves me hours of time each session. Not to mention the amazing cataloging possibilities with Lightroom.

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Agreed with Amberbella- while lightroom is easier to use and does a lot of the work for me these days, I could live without it (and did for many years). Photoshop is the priority- there are many things photoshop can do that lightroom can't, and nothing that lightroom can that photoshop can't (though sometimes it's more complicated, it's still do-able.)

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I've always been curious about the educator discount. Does this apply to any educator? Or strictly photography related? I am currently using PSE8 and should probably continue to learn the basics on there (as I more than have my hands full...I am so clueless!), but when the time comes for me to upgrade could I possibly have my dad or brother (both teachers) buy CS5 for me and get the discount?

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I can't speak from much experience since I have a horrible fear of PP at this point, but I JUST put Lightroom and Photoshop CS5 on my computer yesterday. DH has the Master Collection + Lightroom for work and even though he is a creative director and does web and print, he doesn't use most of the tools. He primarily uses lightroom & photoshop for editing. He told me that that is really all I will need for anything with my photos (once I get over my fear of using it).
I have also worked with some photographers and they also basically used Lightroom and Photoshop only.

I totally think you could get away with Photoshop and if you can afford Lightroom that would be a perfect thing.

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"kel-02" wrote:

I've always been curious about the educator discount. Does this apply to any educator? Or strictly photography related? I am currently using PSE8 and should probably continue to learn the basics on there (as I more than have my hands full...I am so clueless!), but when the time comes for me to upgrade could I possibly have my dad or brother (both teachers) buy CS5 for me and get the discount?

It seems like a really cool plan. Our AV guy here at the college made me aware of it. Here's the basics of the plan from the website (www.adobe.com/education/purchasing/):

Adobe Student and Teacher Editions are for:

•Current college, university, or K-12 students – and teachers & staff – who meet Adobe’s eligibility requirements and can show they’re eligible.
Academic software is for:

•K–12 students
•K–12 or higher ed faculty and staff
•Employees of government-certified educational institutions

Eligibility Requirements:

Education individual purchasers
Qualified education individuals purchasing for use on their personally owned computers may purchase Adobe Student and Teacher Editions or Adobe education editions at significant discounts. If you are purchasing for use in your educational institution, need multiple copies, or want to buy non-Student and Teacher Edition products, see the Education institutional tab on this page.

Qualified individuals include:

•University and college students — students enrolled at a higher education institution defined as an accredited public or private university or college (including community, junior, or vocational college) that grants degrees requiring not less than the equivalent of two years of full-time study1
•Primary and secondary school students — students enrolled at an accredited public or private primary or secondary school providing full-time instruction1
•Faculty and staff — teachers and staff employed by an accredited primary or secondary school or public or private university or college1
Contact Adobe at 800-585-0774 if you are unclear about whether you qualify.

Proof of eligibility

Students

Students must provide a photocopy of a valid, current student ID that includes the student’s name, start or end dates that confirm current enrollment, and a photo.

If the student does not have such an ID (for example, the student photo ID does not specify dates that confirm current enrollment), he or she must instead provide a photocopy of a valid student or other photo ID and one of the following items:

•Official, current non-photo student ID with name and date
•Official, current school transcript indicating name of school and student
•Official, current school tuition bill indicating name of school and student
•Official, current report card indicating name of school and student
•Other official dated proof of enrollment
Note: Only one valid photo ID, student or otherwise, is required.

Students who are under 18 and do not have a valid photo ID may provide an official letter from their eligible educational institution stating their name and current enrollment status.

Teachers, faculty, and staff

Teachers, faculty, and staff must provide a photocopy of a valid, current school ID that includes the educator’s name, date, and a photo. If the educator does not have such an ID, he or she must instead provide a photocopy of a valid photo ID and one of the following items:

•Faculty or staff paycheck stub
•Official letter from the registrar of the educational institution

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Thanks for the feedback! I think I'm going to get CS5 ($199) and Lightroom. I downloaded the Lightroom trial yesterday and have been playing with it. It's a little strange after being used to Gimp, but it seems to do what I need. I just need to sit down with a good tutorial and conquer some of the advanced aspects of photo editing and production. For example, I'm stymied by layers. I think these programs will give me what I need right now without overwhelming me. Smile

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OMG - my mom is a teacher!! Thanks for the info on this. I'm just floored by the knowledge that I can purchase Photoshop for only $199!!

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I work for a university, but since I hope to one day get paid for my editing (the collages), I went out and bought the full fledge CS4 last year. OUCH! I just didn't want there to ever be a conflict of interest in my use, ya know.

I may have over reacted, but it is something to think about or ask about if you are hoping to use PS in any for-profit way.

Have fun playing and learning!

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"acarbo99" wrote:

I work for a university, but since I hope to one day get paid for my editing (the collages), I went out and bought the full fledge CS4 last year. OUCH! I just didn't want there to ever be a conflict of interest in my use, ya know.

I may have over reacted, but it is something to think about or ask about if you are hoping to use PS in any for-profit way.

Have fun playing and learning!

Best,
GiGi

Thanks! From what I understand, it doesn't matter if it's for personal or work-related use. I plan on paying for mine with my own credit card and uploading the software onto my home computer. I've asked our registrar for a letter confirming my employment (I offered to write it to save him time). I'm the editor here, so any publications-related experience I gain could foreseeably be put to use on the job.

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"acarbo99" wrote:

I work for a university, but since I hope to one day get paid for my editing (the collages), I went out and bought the full fledge CS4 last year. OUCH! I just didn't want there to ever be a conflict of interest in my use, ya know.

I may have over reacted, but it is something to think about or ask about if you are hoping to use PS in any for-profit way.

That's silly! There is no reason why you shouldn't take advantage of a discount if you qualify! Nowhere does Adobe state that you can only use their discounted software if you don't ever plan on getting paid while using it for something not related to education.

I'm a music teacher, and you can BET I use the educator discounts available wherever I can. At the movies, at the museums, at the educator stores, and ABSOLUTELY on computer equipment and software.

Just because I'm also a professional photographer doesn't mean I shouldn't take advantage of the discounts I darn well earn by being an educator. Smile

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I thought that the education version license specifically said something about not being able to use the software for business use. My brother works for a university so I almost got it through him. But I remember reading a LOT about it, and decided it wasn't worth the risk. I specifically read the EULA and something must have jumped out at me in that which made me not do it. I also have kids in elementary school, and supposedly that qualifies the parents to purchase at the education rate too. But I didn't do it.

I did the Lightroom trial and I just couldn't get into it. I want to save time, I really do, but I found that silly things would happen when I went from LR to CS4 - it wouldn't let me save as a jpg. Not sure what that was all about, but that was my biggest turn off.

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"coolmama72" wrote:

I thought that the education version license specifically said something about not being able to use the software for business use. My brother works for a university so I almost got it through him. But I remember reading a LOT about it, and decided it wasn't worth the risk. I specifically read the EULA and something must have jumped out at me in that which made me not do it. I also have kids in elementary school, and supposedly that qualifies the parents to purchase at the education rate too. But I didn't do it.

I did the Lightroom trial and I just couldn't get into it. I want to save time, I really do, but I found that silly things would happen when I went from LR to CS4 - it wouldn't let me save as a jpg. Not sure what that was all about, but that was my biggest turn off.

Hmmm...I purchased the educator version before I was a pro...and now qualify for the reduced non-educator upgrades. Not sure if that's wrong or not.

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Thanks for all the info, everyone! I would love get this discount as it is the only way I would be able to afford it in the forseeable future. But I would also love to go the business route someday (far, far down the road, LOL) so maybe I will hold out if it wouldn't be totally legit.

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For me, the real reason I didn't use the education discount is because of the University rules. I honestly didn't look too closely at the EULA from Adobe b/c the University is so strict about these kinds of things that I knew *they* would have a problem with it.

I'm pretty sure that I read that if you are the parent of a school aged child, that would also qualify you for the educational discount.

Again, just my $0.02 worth.

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GiGi

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We got the education discount for the really big CS5 package with everything - I'm a teacher and my husband is a creative director - Adobe actually encouraged him to find a way to get the discount (he talked to them on the phone because he wanted to upgrade an older version on our home computers, which he wasn't able to do) - he has a regular usage license though.

They were really helpful on the phone about it.

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"AmberBella" wrote:

I use Lightroom and Adobe Photoshop CS4...though I'm soon to upgrade to CS5. If I had to choose between the Lightroom and Photoshop...I'd pick Photoshop HANDS DOWN! It just does way more.

Yes, I do 90% of my work in Lightroom...but that last 10% in photoshop is really what makes my photos look professional..and more importantly, that last 10% CAN'T be done in Lightroom...and the 90% done in Lightroom, CAN be done in Photoshop.

However, if you can afford to get both Photoshop and Lightroom...do. It's a fantastic combo. Lightroom saves me hours of time each session. Not to mention the amazing cataloging possibilities with Lightroom.

Completely this. 90% of my work in Lightroom, 10% in Photoshop, but couldn't live without either of them. Get them both, you'll never regret it.