CC on recent session please. Not sure why focus is off

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CC on recent session please. Not sure why focus is off

I'm guessing after reading another post on here that it's probably my exposure and not my focus points.

This was at a park at 8:30 a.m. Lots of trees, but still lots of dappled light.

This little one made me RUN all over! I am amazed I got any at all with him looking at me!
His skin is so much different than his sister who is very olive skinned. I have issues with WB to begin with though. All of my photos tend to be cool.

Please ANY and all CC welcome and appreciated. I know this is a large share. Please don't feel like you need to comment on all Smile Any help you can offer is great!

1)
I'm guessing on this one my ISO was too low?
Exposure 0.005 sec (1/200)
Aperture f/2.5
Focal Length 50 mm
ISO Speed 400
Maggie Harry WM 1 IMG_7852

2)
Mom has his left hand, so that's why it's cropped out of the photo. She has a black hair band around her wrist otherwise I would have left her arm in!

Exposure 0.002 sec (1/640)
Aperture f/2.5
Focal Length 50 mm
ISO Speed 800

Maggie Harry WM 1 IMG_7799

3)
What am I doing wrong? Why can't I focus?

Exposure 0.003 sec (1/320)
Aperture f/2.5
Focal Length 50 mm
ISO Speed 400
Maggie Harry WM 1 IMG_7929

4)
Her flower on her headband is blown...boo...

Exposure 0.003 sec (1/320)
Aperture f/2.5
Focal Length 50 mm
ISO Speed 400

Maggie Harry WM 1 IMG_7977

5)
I know they aren't looking, but I thought it was sweet Smile Again, is ISO too low?

Exposure 0.005 sec (1/200)
Aperture f/2.5
Focal Length 50 mm
ISO Speed 400

Maggie Harry WM 1 IMG_8016

6)
My settings here are crazy. I was chasing them around and the light changes by the inch with all of the trees filtering it...I don't know how to overcome it when chasing a toddler around Smile

Exposure 1/4000 sec
Aperture f/2.5
Focal Length 50 mm
ISO Speed 800

Maggie Harry WM IMG_7718

7)
Is her flower too blown?
Exposure 0.005 sec (1/200)
Aperture f/2.5
Focal Length 50 mm
ISO Speed 400

Maggie Harry WM IMG_7845

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I know they aren't smiling, but I love this spot of the park and want to learn it. Is my shutter speed too high?
Exposure 0.002 sec (1/640)
Aperture f/2.5
Focal Length 50 mm
ISO Speed 800

IMG_7889

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So sorry I don't have more than a second, but just wanted to say that your color is way off on these. Not sure if you're calibrated...if you're not you really may want to think about it soon. It's not too expensive..you can even get a great deal on a used system off Ebay.

These are very cyan.

I'll be back sometime this evening with better CC.

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I agree that you need to get calibrated. I see green though - not cyan.

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I'm not calibrated either, but I definitely think they look green.

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I see green too but your conversions to b&w are beautiful!

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I agree with what the PPs have said about the color; I'm seeing green, too.

That said, you've got some gorgeous shots! I love the B/W conversions, especially #4! You've also got some really nice bokeh in #3, #4, and #5. The blown portion of the headband in #4 doesn't really bother me.

You might play with closing the aperture up a little bit to help with focus. I wouldn't go too high, though; you don't want to lose the lovely bokeh.

I don't think your ISO was low at all. I try to stay at 400 or below except in situations where I can't control light with aperture and shutter speed alone. Photos tend to get grainy at high ISOs.

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Thanks everyone!!!! I always see green in my photos. Is it my WB? or something else I'm doing wrong?

Not calibrated...will definitely look into it!

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Okay...back to CC.

The skin is definitely cyan and not green, at least in the first one...I checked the numbers on the first image in photoshop. The magenta/green numbers and the yellow/blue numbers are equal to one another (like they should be). The red/cyan number is WAY too high....almost as high as the other two numbers. It should ideally be at most half of the magenta/green number.

Anyway!

#1. Cute shot. I'd crop off that little bit of extra space at the top to get a slightly more pleasing composition.

#2. I see no reason to keep this one. Blown spot on the tree is very distracting...face isn't the best expression. Chop is terrible. In the future...it might be better to clone out the hair band than make a chop like this.

#3. Hard to see focus issues on images reduced this small. Probably there wasn't enough light in her eyes to grab focus there and the focus defaulted to the hairband flower or some other high contrast object.

#4. Nice lack and white. Cute shot. The blown flower doesn't bother me in BW

#5. This one would work if she were looking at him, but for all we know she's looking at a bug on the ground. Blown background is bothering me in this one. You could always use an overlay to tone that spot down.

#6. very cute! wish you had composed so that there were more of that railing and less dead space on the right.

#7. Yes....flower is too blown, and you are too high. If you were this high and about 6 feet back farther than you were...this would be a fine angle to shoot from. But as it is, you are so close to her that her gaze looks unnatural.

#8. Composition is close...but not quite there. Need more space above their heads. If this went in a frame, the girl's head would get chopped in half. Would have had more impact overall if there were some sort of interaction between the two of them. Her stance is very stiff and they are a bit far from each other.

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"AmberBella" wrote:

Okay...back to CC.

The skin is definitely cyan and not green, at least in the first one...I checked the numbers on the first image in photoshop. The magenta/green numbers and the yellow/blue numbers are equal to one another (like they should be). The red/cyan number is WAY too high....almost as high as the other two numbers. It should ideally be at most half of the magenta/green number.
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THANK YOU for this. I have no idea what to do in photoshop....I really need to spend a few hours/week learning. Does you (or anyone!) know how to overcome the color issues SOOC? I know I can help in PP, but I'm consistently getting off color, so I know it's something I'm doing (or not doing). Would a grey card help?

Thank you for all of the great CC. They were hard to photograph together. The little boy did not pay attention AT ALL. He was as cute as can be and had a ball running around, but I honestly don't even know if he realized I was there to play with him! And the little girl was too funny b/c she just kept a smile pasted on her face and was sooo stiff all the time! I tried to get her to be silly and loosen up but I was so focused on watching the little boy to catch a moment or two that I feel like I didn't do enough to help her!

Forgive me for a probably stupid question but what does this mean when you say "reduced this small?"

"AmberBella" wrote:

#3. Hard to see focus issues on images reduced this small.

Thank you, thank you again!!! this is extremely helpful!

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"AmberBella" wrote:

Okay...back to CC.

The skin is definitely cyan and not green, at least in the first one...I checked the numbers on the first image in photoshop. The magenta/green numbers and the yellow/blue numbers are equal to one another (like they should be). The red/cyan number is WAY too high....almost as high as the other two numbers. It should ideally be at most half of the magenta/green number.

Do you know if this info can be found in PS elements? This might help me too...

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About the reduced...I just mean that when you make an image small for posting on the internet it's hard to see minor focus issues. When it's full size it's easy to see....so if you're experiencing focus problems a good idea is to show a 100% crop of the eyes, or something like that.

As for better color in SOOC...that's going to depend on a few things. I typically don't worry too much about color SOOC because I shoot RAW. However, I had terrible color issues with my Xti that were very difficult to correct because the camera itself and the lenses I was using just didn't render color very well.

What camera setting have you been using for white balance? What method are you using for color correcting?

Grey cards definitely help...but if your lighting is constantly changing...you need to re-do the custom white balance every time you move to new light. That is very hard to do in a session like you just did. I would only do in camera custom white balancing with adults and babies that stay put.

An easier solution is to shoot the grey card in each lighting really quickly and keep your white balance settings the same for the whole session....it doesn't matter what the settings are as long as it's not auto....and correct the color of the RAW image in ACR or Lightroom.

For snapshots....if I'm shooting outside I usually keep my camera's white balance at 6500K and when I'm shooting inside, I typically use auto. That's what works for my camera....yours is likely different.

ETA: I don't think you can check CMYK values in Elements...but here's a link explaining what you can do.

http://www.photokaboom.com/photography/learn/Photoshop_Elements/color_correction/1_measure_color.htm

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And I hate to take over the thread...but wanted to share a very quick edit I did. This is private in my flickr...let me know if you want me to take it down.

for color correction I simply added red. Using the "Color Balance" tool I added +9 red to the shadows, +24 red to the midtones, and +13 red to the highlights.

For curves, I pulled up the middle of the curve quite a bit, then pulled down the shadow part of the curve just slightly. Masked back the grass so it was not affected by the curve. I also quickly used the burn tool to burn the grass a bit.

It definitely still needs tweaking to the color...but it's so much closer to a proper skin tone.

Untitled-2 by amberbella, on Flickr

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"AmberBella" wrote:

What camera setting have you been using for white balance? What method are you using for color correcting?

Just using the auto WB setting. I have an Xti. I just use the iphoto editing to do basic stuff...I don't know how to adjust the color. I really, really need to devote a few hours a week to learning photoshop...or some other program.

And please take over the thread Smile All of this information is extremely helpful!

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"AmberBella" wrote:

for color correction I simply added red. Using the "Color Balance" tool I added +9 red to the shadows, +24 red to the midtones, and +13 red to the highlights.

For curves, I pulled up the middle of the curve quite a bit, then pulled down the shadow part of the curve just slightly. Masked back the grass so it was not affected by the curve. I also quickly used the burn tool to burn the grass a bit.

This helps so much. I had no idea about the Color Balance tool!!!! Will definitely be learning about that!

And no clue about curves, but will definitely try what you said so I can understand more.

THANK YOU!

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If you don't have photoshop already, I highly suggest using some more advanced editing software. There is a program called GIMP that is some great free photo editing software. Has lots of the same things as Photoshop elements I think.

It's worth trying out!

Link: http://www.gimp.org/

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I have photoshop...just no knowledge of how to use it!!! I really need to learn it. I'm thinking of seeing about finding an art student here (big art college here) to pay to teach me. I've tried a couple of times to read and watch tutorials but for some reason it's not sticking.