PrePro help please

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connorsmum's picture
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PrePro help please

Hi All,

I have been giving a lot of thought to my photography lately and which direction I wanted to take things. There is a bit of pressure from hubby to start taking on more paying clients, so I figure it is time to seriously consider applying to Pre-Pro. I admit I am not good at taking (or giving) critique. Most of my development has been self driven without asking for much CC but in this instance I am putting myself out there, lol!

I have put a set together and included enough images to hopefully still have close to 30 by the time I turf out the worst of the lot. I am not expecting detailed CC on everything, I can see some colour issues especially in some of my older images. Feel free just to tell me which you would keep or toss and why (or if I could do some minor edits to make right). I am really appreciative of any advice I get.

http://flickr.com/gp/madhouseof5/8R7Wv4/

EL2
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Kerry - I think you should go and apply now. Your set is wonderful. And you know how I feel about that guy in #2... lol... Smile

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I think you have a lot of variety and a lot of nice shots! I'd probably suggest taking out #'s 8, 13, 27, and 36. They just don't hold up to the rest of the shots.

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LOL El! He is gorgeous... alas he's got a boyfriend. Hardly seems fair, lol! Thanks so much for your confidence in me. I think that tends to be where I fall down. I know what I like, but I am never sure what others will think and sometimes, it's not about me, lol!

Thanks Jennifer. I didn't realise how much variety I had until I started putting this together yesterday. I was surprised at how many shots I had to chose from. I thought they would be mostly of my kids, from the same sessions. I was also glad to see I had a variety of lighting scenarios too. It seems we are thinking around the same lines as I looked at all 4 of those several times and wondered about taking them out.

I know I really should, but am gathering my courage and big girl pants for posting for CC on ILP, lol!

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Good luck Kerry! I am sure you'll make it! I have always loved your work so much!

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No time to give full cc right now....but I can say that you definitely have way too many shots of your kids. I think the guideline is no more than 3 photos of the same subject.

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These are fantastic! I remember a lot of these Smile

I'd probably take out 13. I think they're suppose to be clean edits. Something seems off in 27 to me. I think it's the bright patch on the wall next to him. 36 just seems like a snap to me.

I think you're only allowed 2 from the same session, so you might want to go through and make sure that's the case.

I've been thinking about applying to PrePro. I think I still have a long ways to go though Wink I think you'll fly right in!

EL2
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"connorsmum" wrote:

LOL El! He is gorgeous... alas he's got a boyfriend. Hardly seems fair, lol! Thanks so much for your confidence in me. I think that tends to be where I fall down. I know what I like, but I am never sure what others will think and sometimes, it's not about me, lol!

Thanks Jennifer. I didn't realise how much variety I had until I started putting this together yesterday. I was surprised at how many shots I had to chose from. I thought they would be mostly of my kids, from the same sessions. I was also glad to see I had a variety of lighting scenarios too. It seems we are thinking around the same lines as I looked at all 4 of those several times and wondered about taking them out.

I know I really should, but am gathering my courage and big girl pants for posting for CC on ILP, lol!

Awww... BOYFRIEND!!! Sad
I think you should post this on ILP get some more feedback. I think its ok to have shots of your kids just as long as you show different lighting variety from what I understand. I know Stephanie B - had lots of shots of her kids when she applied for prepro and that wasn't a problem for her.

Good luck - I will CC once I am on calibrated computer Smile

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Oops...I just saw that it says on the prepro readiness page that a variety of shoots not subjects is needed. Wish it had said that when I applied! LOL

ETA: I'd dump 5, 16, 19, 23, 33, 36.

EL2
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Here is my CC on your set

#3 - love, conversion, light, catchlights!
#4 - same as #2 lol
#5 - I agree, you have stronger image than this.
#6 - great background -
#7 - not digging this picture, wish I can see more of his eyes.
#8 - love it!
#9 - great lighting, not sure about his hand being chopped tho.
#10 - nice
#11 - very nice
#12 - nice
#13 - I am assuming the noise in this photo is intended?
#14 - great
#15 - love this!
#16 - yup, dump
#17 - lovely
#18 - nice - not sure if his face is blown - double check
#19 - cute concept - but does look a bit snap shotty
#20 - Love!
#21 - nice
#22 - 23 looks a bit snap shotty
#24 - sexy!
#25 - lighting is great!
#26 - prefer the color
#27 - nice
#28 - 29 I remember this photo Smile
#30 - very cool
#31 - love it.
#32 - too cute
#33 - I think the blacks and blues are clipped
#34 - awesome lighting
#35 - I would probably remove this from the set
#36 - snap shotty
#37 - love this
#40 - remove
#44 - looks great!
#47 remove

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OK, I might be the odd one out here, but I'm really not a fan of ILP or the whole pre-pro set process. Kerry, you're work is absolutey gorgeous. You have an amazing ability to capture emotion and you work beautifully with light, which obviously is the most essential aspect of photography. I don't have time to CC your set at the moment, I just wanted to say that you don't need ILP's "approval" to start charging for your work.

Of course, this is just MY OPINION and I realize that--if you're looking to join pre-pro just so you have access to the business side of ILP then I totally understand and ignore everything I just said. I wish you the best and I have no doubt you would be accepted!

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I'm envious of your portfolio--nice work! Here are a few comments on some of the photos.

#2 Too centered. I would crop on left, if you can do it without cutting the jacket out in a funny way.
#3 Perfect—spot-on focus and lovely capture
#5 A good example of how to use an action successfully to enhance an already good photo! He seems like a natural model, too.
#6 I wish his head were angled slightly, but this is just me being nit-picky. I love the background and the richness of this photo!
9# Looks staged (but in an actor’s portfolio kind of way). I like it. I love that guy’s hair!
16 I agree that it looks out of place. The light spot on her cheek is a little distracting for me.
#18 Nice conversion.
#20 Lovely and dramatic. However, on the lower-right section, there’s a little spot of light on her dress that almost looks like a speck of dust—a simple edit.
#24 Dramatic and edgy. Looks like an advertisement for the boots!
#25 Nice portrait. I like the simple pose.
#26 Not my favorite. Pose isn’t as interesting as others and I’m not seeing expression in her face.
#27 Looks too centered vertically. Consider cropping bottom a bit.
#28 Cute! Great shot for marketing child photography. Ditto for #32.
#31 Adorable! Minimal detail, but his face and pose speak volumes!
#33 Looks like he’s ready to join Prince Harry at Eton! Love the colors and composition!
#36 I agree with PP that it looks a little snap-shotty. I wish focus on face were sharper.
#37 Creative shot that shows your creative range. Focus is perfect.
#39 I’m digging the white background. I think the photo could use a tad more contrast, however.
#40 Cute idea, but the blink isn’t working for me. Also, the lollipop draws my attention away from the canvas.
#41 A perfect example of less is more. I really like this shot and your crop.
#42 I like the drama and the conversion. However, you might bring out the detail in his (unshadowed) eye a little more to make it stronger.
#43 I like it! The background is so rich and lovely, and it enhances the subject.

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I don't really think I could add much to the CC as you've gotten some really nice feedback already. But I do want to chime and let you know that you ARE ready for this! You do beautiful work and I can honestly say that your clients are very lucky to have someone with such a self critical eye. You only accept the best for yourself and it shows in your end product.

Take a deep breath and jump in. You are more than ready to swim in those waters!

Best,
GiGi

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Awww, thanks guys!!! I will certainly have a look at the things you have mentioned. I went through the whole set earlier and made not of blown channels and clipped blacks, blown highlights (on the subject, sometimes the background can't be helped). I will do some re-edits. I really am very self critical, which while great for clients can be a PITA for me, lol! I am so glad that it shows through in my set, it is what I have been striving towards for so long.

Meagan, I really appreciate your reply. I always said I would never apply to prepro, but I do feel that I could benefit from the biz side of things. Shame I have to jump through hoops, but it has made me work hard recently.

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I agree with Meagan..... However, how could you NOT get through with images like that!!!!

Love your work!

Cazz

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"acarbo99" wrote:

I don't really think I could add much to the CC as you've gotten some really nice feedback already. But I do want to chime and let you know that you ARE ready for this! You do beautiful work and I can honestly say that your clients are very lucky to have someone with such a self critical eye. You only accept the best for yourself and it shows in your end product.

Take a deep breath and jump in. You are more than ready to swim in those waters!

Best,
GiGi

I totally agree. And I also agree with Meagan though- you don't have to wait until ILP approves you!

connorsmum's picture
Joined: 11/29/02
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Thanks everyone for your help so far. I put a thread up on ILP just over a week ago but to be fair, it is very slow (I'm not a prominent poster, so tend to get missed over a lot). I did get some feedback, made some tweaks and changes and have settled on what I hope are my final 30. I want to get it submitted before the end of the day, lol!

Any last thoughts from anyone?

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*fingers crossed* for you (though I'm sure you don't need it)!

GiGi

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